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Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - Mark - 2008-11-06
Due to recent changes in other versions, Snipe's damage cap was raised to 200k. Someone did a calculation of this new cap and came to the conclusion that a Marksman with maxed Snipe could almost meet up to a Bowmaster's DPS. I'm only asking this because I'm not sure if it's guaranteed GMS will get this new damage cap. As for myself, I'm 144 and have 14 points into Snipe right now. I'm thinking about resetting Pierce a bit so I can get maxed Snipe earlier with minimal training. (All I do is boss now anyway.) So yeah, this is my build right now:
18 MB
10 MW
20 SE
1 DB
10 Pierce (lol)
1 Blind (even more lol)
1 Articuno
14 Snipe
Obviously maxed Snipe is going to help my damage more than maxed SE or MW could ever do. So is now an optimal time to max it or could it even be done earlier?
Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - JoeTang - 2008-11-06
I personally don't think it would be worthwhile until we get those changes ourselves, unless you see that lowering your Pierce and raising your Snipe would somehow make you level faster.
Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - Kawasari Mimoto - 2008-11-06
Not an Archer-type player, but unless the damage cap was raised in multiple servers, and you're very positive it's going to come to gMS shortly, you're better off not resetting your 4th job points. Waste of money, and waste of valuable time.
Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - Rei - 2008-11-06
Only 18 Boost? Max that skill. Or at least to 27 for the 90% mastery.
I know you said you only boss, but regardless of your Snipe level, you're going to use Strafe a hell of a lot more.
Also, maxing Snipe is good with or without the raised damage cap. Pierce is just lulz.
Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - KaidaTan - 2008-11-06
I think this is only a viable idea if you're part of an HT/Zak squad. But even then most people can't go to HT until 150+. Perhaps it's better to plan to max Snipe around then?
Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - Mark - 2008-11-06
I seriously haven't trained since 140, I got 4 levels off bossing alone. Which is why I don't need Pierce. I can safely pull 9 points out of that and 1 from Blind which equals 10. Expensive, maybe...but it would save me a lot of "bossing time." After all those points are put into Snipe, I'll only have to level twice more to max it.
But as Rei mentioned, would having Max MB be a better priority over Max Snipe and the 200k damage cap?
Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - ChaosCorpse - 2008-11-06
I would see no problem in it if you were lower lvled than you are now, however at that point it would not be too helpful. Personally, I am intent on taking an experimental build that involves snipe myself; partially in protest that I will never become someone's SE mule.
First to note though, I don't put too heavy a presence on grinding.
The way I see it, snipe is only really useful in the higher lvls because of the cooldown timer. However, a majority of people only put points into it after lvl 140 (since they were busy maxing Boost and SE). At that point, it does not take 10 seconds for them to deal greatly over 99k assuming they have decent equipment. This may be changed by the 199k thing, but as lvls get higher, the difference would still be insignificant in respect to other skills you can have.
My build I have set for myself is:
120: Snipe 1, Frostprey 1, Pierce 1
121: Snipe 2, Dragon's Breath 1, Boost 1 (Current)
122-123: SE 6
124-134: Maxing Snipe
Next would be Maxing Boost, then Pierce, and from there undecided.
For your level, and with the current mobs we have released in GMS, it would not be worth it to reset your points, or even to continue to add points to Snipe yet. Like others have said, you should work on MM Boost from where you are now. We don't know when that change will come to GMS and with only 99k, the Boost will be far more beneficial.
The only way that snipe would be a better option is if GMS released trainable mobs with extremely high HP (talking 500K+ here) and a weak or no magic attack. Which is actually what I am sort of counting on given the speed of my actual training. But for regular bossing, your other dmg should add up to far more than the pretty 99k we get within that 10 seconds max snipe takes to reload.
Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - Technolink - 2008-11-06
Opeth Wrote:I seriously haven't trained since 140, I got 4 levels off bossing alone. Which is why I don't need Pierce. I can safely pull 9 points out of that and 1 from Blind which equals 10. Expensive, maybe...but it would save me a lot of "bossing time." After all those points are put into Snipe, I'll only have to level twice more to max it.
But as Rei mentioned, would having Max MB be a better priority over Max Snipe and the 200k damage cap?
The cap is either coming next patch with pirates, or not for awhile. [speculation]
Either way, would the extra damage really help? Not many people will listen to you mathematically prove that you do the same damage, they'll see a MM and a BM with equal SE, and pick the BM.
The extra damage, of course, helps none at training since snipe is 1 hit either way. A snipe before pierce build is still viable though, seeing how you can argue that snipe in hits higher levels are just as good as pierce.
Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - cooldog67 - 2008-11-06
Opeth Wrote:I seriously haven't trained since 140, I got 4 levels off bossing alone. Which is why I don't need Pierce. I can safely pull 9 points out of that and 1 from Blind which equals 10. Expensive, maybe...but it would save me a lot of "bossing time." After all those points are put into Snipe, I'll only have to level twice more to max it.
But as Rei mentioned, would having Max MB be a better priority over Max Snipe and the 200k damage cap?
id rather buy 2x and get more points instead of reseting. its 24 hours of 2x youre wasting for ever reset so unless youre really rich and have a job+etc i wouldnt 4th job reset at all >.<
Would maxing Snipe early be a mistake? - Kubi - 2008-11-12
yeah, it's expensive to reset 4 job skills...it's 12k nx to reset each...and resetting 9 points would make you end up wasting about 108 bucks on it...you would probably level it up a bit later...people go choose to go different paths depending what they like to do most of the time as a marksman... people that likes to boss a lot more than train or grind at monsters would up leveling snipe early, and people that grind a lot would probably go for piercing. i went piercing, and i do train a lot...so it's pretty useful for training, and i use it often on a big line of skeles...though having those skills set midway leveled, makes you still pretty flexible and efficient in doing both early levels.