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Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Flonne - 2011-09-23

http://gizmodo.com/5843117/scientists-reconstruct-video-clips-from-brain-activity

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By Jesus Diaz Sep 22, 2011 9:40 PM
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Scientists Reconstruct Brains’ Visions Into Digital Video In Historic Experiment

UC Berkeley scientists have developed a system to capture visual activity in human brains and reconstruct it as digital video clips. Eventually, this process will allow you to record and reconstruct your own dreams on a computer screen.

I just can't believe this is happening for real, but according to Professor Jack Gallant—UC Berkeley neuroscientist and coauthor of the research published today in the journal Current Biology—"this is a major leap toward reconstructing internal imagery. We are opening a window into the movies in our minds."

Indeed, it's mindblowing. I'm simultaneously excited and terrified. This is how it works:

They used three different subjects for the experiments—incidentally, they were part of the research team because it requires being inside a functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging system for hours at a time. The subjects were exposed to two different groups of Hollywood movie trailers as the fMRI system recorded the brain's blood flow through their brains' visual cortex.

The readings were fed into a computer program in which they were divided into three-dimensional pixels units called voxels (volumetric pixels). This process effectively decodes the brain signals generated by moving pictures, connecting the shape and motion information from the movies to specific brain actions. As the sessions progressed, the computer learned more and more about how the visual activity presented on the screen corresponded to the brain activity.
An 18-million-second picture palette

After recording this information, another group of clips was used to reconstruct the videos shown to the subjects. The computer analyzed 18 million seconds of random YouTube video, building a database of potential brain activity for each clip. From all these videos, the software picked the one hundred clips that caused a brain activity more similar to the ones the subject watched, combining them into one final movie. Although the resulting video is low resolution and blurry, it clearly matched the actual clips watched by the subjects.

Think about those 18 million seconds of random videos as a painter's color palette. A painter sees a red rose in real life and tries to reproduce the color using the different kinds of reds available in his palette, combining them to match what he's seeing. The software is the painter and the 18 million seconds of random video is its color palette. It analyzes how the brain reacts to certain stimuli, compares it to the brain reactions to the 18-million-second palette, and picks what more closely matches those brain reactions. Then it combines the clips into a new one that duplicates what the subject was seeing. Notice that the 18 million seconds of motion video are not what the subject is seeing. They are random bits used just to compose the brain image.

Given a big enough database of video material and enough computing power, the system would be able to re-create any images in your brain.

In this other video you can see how this process worked in the three experimental targets. On the top left square you can see the movie the subjects were watching while they were in the fMRI machine. Right below you can see the movie "extracted" from their brain activity. It shows that this technique gives consistent results independent of what's being watched—or who's watching. The three lines of clips next to the left column show the random movies that the computer program used to reconstruct the visual information.

Right now, the resulting quality is not good, but the potential is enormous. Lead research author—and one of the lab test bunnies—Shinji Nishimoto thinks this is the first step to tap directly into what our brain sees and imagines:

Our natural visual experience is like watching a movie. In order for this technology to have wide applicability, we must understand how the brain processes these dynamic visual experiences.

The brain recorders of the future

Imagine that. Capturing your visual memories, your dreams, the wild ramblings of your imagination into a video that you and others can watch with your own eyes.

This is the first time in history that we have been able to decode brain activity and reconstruct motion pictures in a computer screen. The path that this research opens boggles the mind. It reminds me of Brainstorm, the cult movie in which a group of scientists lead by Christopher Walken develops a machine capable of recording the five senses of a human being and then play them back into the brain itself.

This new development brings us closer to that goal which, I have no doubt, will happen at one point. Given the exponential increase in computing power and our understanding of human biology, I think this will arrive sooner than most mortals expect. Perhaps one day you would be able to go to sleep wearing a flexible band labeled Sony Dreamcam around your skull.
At last I can live in my own mind! 10 years for perfection on this seems a little bit optimistic, but hey, weirder things have been happening lately.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - CrazyForDex - 2011-09-23

Lol I think some dreams are better left in the dream world, but pretty cool nonetheless.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Takebacker - 2011-09-23

I suppose that means major changes to law and cinema within the next 15 years or so. If we can make full length movies with our minds rather than spending tons of money on equipment to MAKE the movie, the whole business will crumble to the ground. If we can reconstruct memories in court, as long as a case has a witness that drastically reduces the possibility of a false verdict.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Eliseo - 2011-09-23

This is scary. Way too scary. The dreams should stay as that, dreams. Imagine nightmares!

But nice to see we could have access to our minds entirely.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Flonne - 2011-09-23

Eliseo Wrote:Imagine nightmares!
Would make for some awesome horror films, I bet. Only one mind can truly access the fears of another, there is only so much a set and a cast can interpret.
Takebacker Wrote:the whole business will crumble to the ground.
And nothing of value was lost.
Actors and athletes sure have been getting cozy with their obscenely high paychecks; it's high time they suffered a bit too, in my opinion.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Takebacker - 2011-09-23

Flonne Wrote:And nothing of value was lost.
Actors and athletes sure have been getting cozy with their obscenely high paychecks; it's high time they suffered a bit too, in my opinion.

I unfortunately have to agree. Movies are cool and all but they're unnecessarily expensive when you could simply "break the law" and watch for free, which most people do, but the actors get paid way too much. With this the role of actor literally has no purpose.

Sports won't really be affected imo...


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Flonne - 2011-09-23

Takebacker Wrote:Sports won't really be affected imo...
If this ever gets cheap enough to become a household appliance, ALL forms of entertainment will be inferior from that point on. Video games, sports, movies, TV, everything, it will all pale in comparison. I would not be surprised in the least if people with good imaginations could make a decent living selling recordings from their own mind, though the market would initially be so flooded it would be very hard to sift through the junk, I suppose.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Takebacker - 2011-09-23

The only way anything other than visual media will be affected is if we can use this same technology to extrapolate computer code from our thoughts. There's no way video games would be affected aside from easier creation of cut scene material. A video from the mind can't be made into a video game unless you're extracting imagery to convert into sprites or maps and even then you have to write reaction code. The industry won't be INFERIOR (depends on how it's used i guess), but not a lot of businesses won't be untouched by such a thing becoming a household appliance.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Slaking - 2011-09-23

Interesting. But I suppose if it never saw, say, a bear, in any of those movies, it could end up spawning a brown bunny instead of a bear because the fur colour is close. It still has great potential, especially at the rate technology develops.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Flonne - 2011-09-23

Slaking Wrote:Interesting. But I suppose if it never saw, say, a bear, in any of those movies, it could end up spawning a brown bunny instead of a bear because the fur colour is close. It still has great potential, especially at the rate technology develops.
>giant bunny attacking and eating campers
hah. Yeah though, I'm sure it will run into a lot of problems like that initially.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Eliseo - 2011-09-23

Takebacker Wrote:I suppose that means major changes to law and cinema within the next 15 years or so. If we can make full length movies with our minds rather than spending tons of money on equipment to MAKE the movie, the whole business will crumble to the ground. If we can reconstruct memories in court, as long as a case has a witness that drastically reduces the possibility of a false verdict.

The only problem at a court would be that mind likes to changes stuff. If a traumatic experience can be forgotten, getting them exactly as they happen could be a problem.

Also, a witness mind could possibly mistake a face, pointing to another person. It's too soon to tell if what we can see it's the mind recreation, or the actual event.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Flonne - 2011-09-23

Eliseo Wrote:The only problem at a court would be that mind likes to changes stuff. If a traumatic experience can be forgotten, getting them exactly as they happen could be a problem.

Also, a witness mind could possibly mistake a face, pointing to another person. It's too soon to tell if what we can see it's the mind recreation, or the actual event.
Some people can completely replace a memory with something created out of nothing, too.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Takebacker - 2011-09-23

Eliseo Wrote:The only problem at a court would be that mind likes to changes stuff. If a traumatic experience can be forgotten, getting them exactly as they happen could be a problem.

Also, a witness mind could possibly mistake a face, pointing to another person. It's too soon to tell if what we can see it's the mind recreation, or the actual event.

There isn't enough information about this to know whether or not images are taken from controlled areas of the brain set by the "extractors", but i think it's pretty accurate to assume that since there are experts on the human brain working on this, and memory and imagination are two different parts of the brain, they would be able to figure it out.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - The Great One - 2011-09-23

The mind can create false memories. This shouldn't really be used in court.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Takebacker - 2011-09-23

False memories can also be debunked by evidence about the case which would obviously differ depending on said case. When you get to this level of speculative detail it's best to just wait and see anyway.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Kalovale - 2011-09-23

But what if the person inside the dream has a dream?


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Takebacker - 2011-09-23

Kalovale Wrote:But what if the person inside the dream has a dream?

I hate to respond to an obvious joke with a serious reponse, but since they're different dreams and since different dreams can happen at one time i guess it would just be a matter of looking for the dream picture that you want.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Eliseo - 2011-09-23

A dream within a dream within a dream within a dream. We have to go deeper!

But that would be cool to experiment. Put someone to dream of all those dreams while recording it. Then watch the video.

End up not being able to recognize a dream for the reality.


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - TheThunderBandit - 2011-09-23

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If this were to be perfected imagine the possibility!


Hopefully I'm not behind again, but...video extraction from brain activity! - Holypie - 2011-09-23

What's with all of the major scientific leaps in the last few days? This is pretty cool but it has a lot of potential for abuse as well.