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Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Satellite - 2011-09-23

I though this would be the proper section. This is the main cashcow in MS afterall. I don't know if this has been posted.

http://www.thisisgame.com/go/2011/09/21/whats-speculative-and-whats-not/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/09/22/nexon-ncsoft-refuse-to-fully-cooperate-with-south-korean-mmo-ga/

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Game Rating Board(GRB) is worrying about speculative in-game cash items called jackpot items.

The jackpot items are made to generate (great) sales for the company by providing its players certain (little) chance of winning high value items.

Although many complaints over the speculation have been filed not a single company seems to change the successful business model. Even more, GRB is having difficult time providing reasonable guide lines upon this circumstance.

GRB “Game Companies Are Not Cooperative”

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10 game companies on request. Neowiz, Smile Gate, CJ, WeMade, NCsoft, Actoz Soft, Mgame, NHN, Nexon, and Hanbit Soft

Today’s GRB evaluates items wheather they are speculative by investigating if they are only available by cash and if there is any possible loss by having it. These criteria are made in the past so they don’t just fit in today’s issue well actually.

So GRB has requested 10 game companies to submit their DB including name, purchasable currency, and cost of the jackpot items and feature and value of winning items. But they haven’t really followed GRB’s direction and have submitted only type, cost, image, and feature of the jackpot items but not limit in usage, percentage, number of purchase per player of them for reason of confidential log records. They haven’t even participated a meeting held by GRB.

Why? They consider the jackpot items as a business model not a criterion of rating. So they refuse to be evaluated by GRB.

In other words, evaluating the in-game items could be another regulation upon the game industry followed by Forcible Shutdown System and other recently adopted restrictive laws.

So they insist to follow self criteria made in 2008 instead of submitting requested data in order to preserve market order.

Different Point of Views of GRB, Players, and Companies

Let’s say you got pitiful items from the jackpot items and your friend got a high end item from a single chance. What would you feel?

Obvioiusly, terrible. You also might feel this is speculative since the players like you are paying their real money to get the superb item just like the adult’s gambling at casino.

However, accroding to today’s law it isn’t speculative at all because you got items no matter if they are useless to you. You paid money and the company gave you promised rewards. That’s it.

“Game companies ask us why GRB tries to touch their business model and refuse to our request. But the jackpot item is a content of the game. We don’t care whatever they do outside of the game but what is matter to us is that it is a part of the game,” said GRB’s chairman SooKeun Lee. “There should have been no problem if they have followed the criteria they have made by themselves. But we doubt if they are abiding by it now. To us, it is nothing more than a dead recommendation.”

And yah, I used a tabloid headline to drain you in this thread. But this is quite interesting anyways.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - KhainiWest - 2011-09-23

See, God does exist.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Sn1perJohnE - 2011-09-23

Ahahahahaha.

Watch them change it so that gacha always gives good items.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - SaptaZapta - 2011-09-23

What, elixirs aren't good items?

It's like those Cash Shop Surprise things that Nexon boasts are "guaranteed" to give you something worth more than you paid for the CSS.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - KhainiWest - 2011-09-23

Sn1perJohnE Wrote:Ahahahahaha.

Watch them change it so that gacha always gives good items.

To be honest gach should just give out scrolls, all scrolls, besides pet lol

SaptaZapta Wrote:What, elixirs aren't good items?

It's like those Cash Shop Surprise things that Nexon boasts are "guaranteed" to give you something worth more than you paid for the CSS.

It's different because you're comparing a CS item with a CS prize, so technically you do get something worth more than 1.2k nx (This is last I checked, aka last year), although 1 gacha ticket equaling one elixer, in nexon's eyes, is justified because they have no clear view of meso vs NX.

EDIT: Nevermind just remembered meso sacks, so it's more on the lines of appropriately updating it.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Satellite - 2011-09-23

For getting something "worth more" than the price of the surprise they tend to use items that were overpriced in the first place. That or they bundle up some crap.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Takebacker - 2011-09-23

The cost of a high price item might be above one or a couple cubes, but the average cost to get there is often WAY higher than the cost of the item itself especially when you throw in wards. If such items become illegal i'm interested in what action they'll take.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Satellite - 2011-09-23

Takebacker Wrote:The cost of a high price item might be above one or a couple cubes, but the average cost to get there is often WAY higher than the cost of the item itself especially when you throw in wards. If such items become illegal i'm interested in what action they'll take.
Bad thing is that this only appears to be a concern in Korea right? Nexon would probably still keep these items in other versions. Yet another advantage for already superior version with non-destroyed economy, cheaper nx items etc.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Dudewitbow - 2011-09-23

the cost is indeed high, but nexon gives an alternative to cubing, which would be Alchemist Fusing and actually finding the drop rather than cubes to alleviate some of the people who lack nx


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - yo72 - 2011-09-23

article Wrote:they are speculative by investigating if they are only available by cash
CS trading in kms when stuff like this happens I start to see the genius and forethought Nexon has


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - KhainiWest - 2011-09-23

Satellite Wrote:Bad thing is that this only appears to be a concern in Korea right? Nexon would probably still keep these items in other versions. Yet another advantage for already superior version with non-destroyed economy, cheaper nx items etc.

Yeah let's be more like Korea, where ya know, you have to provide the SSN during registration.

..Sorry do you have an American social security number?


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - modular - 2011-09-23

yessssss illegalize gacha and cubing, save the poor kiddies from their gambling addictions


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - SwordStaker - 2011-09-23

Cash trading room please


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Aggravate - 2011-09-23

Spending a ton of nx on Miracle Cubes is the equivalent of gambling, anyway. I always thought it'd be better if cubes could drop from all monsters at a low rate. Nonetheless, the gap between nx-user and non nx-user is too great now.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - danielcatu - 2011-09-23

SwordStaker Wrote:Cash trading room please



Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Liteness - 2011-09-23

better, just have mobs drop cubes and stuff like gach ticket Rolleyes


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Veneni - 2011-09-23

Lol I wonder what would happen if they had to remove cubes. Buy 3% stat now 10k nx?


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Fimbulvetr - 2011-09-23

Aggravate Wrote:Spending a ton of nx on Miracle Cubes is the equivalent of gambling, anyway. I always thought it'd be better if cubes could drop from all monsters at a low rate. Nonetheless, the gap between nx-user and non nx-user is too great now.

Man seriously this. Even before gachapon and 2x there was already a significant difference between NX and non NX users. (shops+pets)


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Suber - 2011-09-23

I like the gambling reference, I never thought about it like that. I mean I did but not to that extent.


Will gach, cubes etc. soon become illegal? - Dudewitbow - 2011-09-23

Veneni Wrote:Lol I wonder what would happen if they had to remove cubes. Buy 3% stat now 10k nx?

do poeple always forget that fusing exists. you could probably make a epic/unique tier 2 item with the meso that 10k nx is worth then getting only 3% from an item