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Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - StopMe - 2011-08-24
I'll try and keep this to minimum detail and get to the point.
Read the bold for the questions.
A couple people and I have been researching Cygnus for a while now.
We came to understand that it was glitched, but apparently the last mini patch we had fixed it's guard summoning glitch.
Yesterday, and 2 hours ago, a group of us attempted to take down the guards for drops. Everything went fine, Mikhail was summoned from the start and we proceeded to kill it. After about 3 minutes in it died, but to our surprise dropped nothing.
3/6 of us decided that it was just a low drop rate, but I figured it was something else. Sadly after that run, shinsoo was spawned so we had to leave.
Question #1: Does shinsoo reheal after it hides if you do not kill it within the minute? Will empress continue to spawn instructors after shinsoo is spawned out of order?
On our second run, today, we proceeded to do the same thing (Except Oz was brought out first). This time I had 2x drop and was ready, but to my disappointment, yet again, nothing dropped.
Question #2: Do the guards drop equipment yet?
I've seen a few screen shots, but I can't really base it off 1 group.
Question #3: Do you need X amount of people in the map?
We ran with 4 today and slowed down. Oz died at 49:55 with no drops at all.
This was all done in a "NEW" server.
I realize the following question, and previous, may sound ignorant but I'm tired of wasting time.
Question #4: Does anyone have a SS of the drops, either on the floor or in general, in gMS (Excluding that SW one that showed 5, I believe in Scania).
Question #5: Is there a sort of timer check?
Probably isn't seeing as were a new server running with 4-6 people.. had to ask!
Question #6: Is this normal? Are the drop rates for even the recipes the guards drop this low?
I can understand the eqs... but wow.
Thanks for any information.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - ShinkuDragon - 2011-08-24
kinda late to the party, you should read these two:
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=48096
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=48100
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - StopMe - 2011-08-24
ShinkuDragon Wrote:kinda late to the party, you should read these two:
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=48096
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=48100
Ah, I see. How do you trigger the second set of knights? Just keep dropping cygnus' HP?
Edit; Those threads didn't really do anything.
They went offtopic after the first page.
1 thing they did show was the 600m/1.6b knight difference though!
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Takebacker - 2011-08-24
600m guards don't drop anything ever.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - ShinkuDragon - 2011-08-24
StopMe Wrote:Ah, I see. How do you trigger the second set of knights? Just keep dropping cygnus' HP?
Edit; Those threads didn't really do anything.
They went offtopic after the first page.
1 thing they did show was the 600m/1.6b knight difference though!
pretty much answered all the questions but the first o.O
>no idea
>yes they do
>no
>second thread (those are probably the same you mention though)
>what?
>very normal, because the second set of knights are the ones that drop
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Marksman Bryan - 2011-08-24
1.) Shinsoo is whacked. No idea.
2.) Yes. 1.65b HP ones. 600m HP ones drop nothing
3.) No.
4.) They drop from 1.65b HP instructors.
5.) No.
6.) Yes.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - StopMe - 2011-08-24
Alright, thanks.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - iFrancisco - 2011-08-24
I'm asking to everyone here, is Cygnus still in CH14?
If not
=> Any fixes don't matter for 5/16 servers =[
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Locked - 2011-08-24
iFrancisco Wrote:I'm asking to everyone here, is Cygnus still in CH14?
If not
=> Any fixes don't matter for 5/16 servers =[
Yeah ch 14 only.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Takebacker - 2011-08-24
Locked Wrote:Yeah ch 14 only.
Which is funny since that's a glitch it itself.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Locked - 2011-08-24
Takebacker Wrote:Which is funny since that's a glitch it itself.
How so?
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - iFrancisco - 2011-08-24
Locked Wrote:How so?
It is supposed to be Ch13, I think. Much like how the old CHT was in CH14 and not Ch13 (like the dialog said), the middle servers get the short end of the stick for something that is so easy to fix.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Takebacker - 2011-08-24
Locked Wrote:How so?
Every new boss they implement can be done on whatever channel they say it's on + 1. In the update notes for age of heroes it says:
Nexon Wrote:* This expedition is available in channel 13.
So it's 13+1 = 14. It was the same with von leon.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - StopMe - 2011-08-24
One more question that has yet to be answered, if anyone's still checking up on this thread (That knows this for sure).
I read that it spawns all the main instructors at the same time, but when does that happen?
I'm guessing when the Empress' HP reaches 1/2? Would I be correct?
Or is it as soon as you kill all the 600m instructors, or a combination of both?
Do you need the mini shinsoo to die before Empress summons the 1.65b instructors, or can you just continue attacking empress.
Thanks again for the help/info. Were just going to tank it out if no one can answer, because we thought shinsoo spawning was the glitch, but it seems unrelated now.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Kaasoljoyyx - 2011-08-24
A lot of your questions can be answered by watching videos and stuff. From how much you're struggling with the 600m instructors, I don't think you can even handle the instructors V2 when they spawn all at once.
The super obvious question/answer: Why would V2 of an instructor spawn if you can't kill V1? Try killing all 5 600m ones.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Foxino - 2011-08-24
iFrancisco Wrote:I'm asking to everyone here, is Cygnus still in CH14?
If not
=> Any fixes don't matter for 5/16 servers =[
Im with this guy!
L> moar channels
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - StopMe - 2011-08-24
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:A lot of your questions can be answered by watching videos and stuff. From how much you're struggling with the 600m instructors, I don't think you can even handle the instructors V2 when they spawn all at once.
The super obvious question/answer: Why would V2 of an instructor spawn if you can't kill V1? Try killing all 5 600m ones.
I didn't say we couldn't kill the V1's, I said we left after shinsoo spawned cause we thought it was glitched. We can 2-3min the 600m guards with 4 people, but I don't see how that's relevant unless empress spawns the V2's at X amount of % HP.
Also, I'm not going to bother with the videos seeing as they are not from gMS.
You can't really rely on other versions videos seeing as cygnus is glitched differently for all of them.
>TMS had no guards.
>We have guards and no cygnus kill.
>We didn't even have guards.
Unless there is a gMS video (Haven't really seen it while searching) I thought a thread would be far more applicable. And it has been.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Marksman Bryan - 2011-08-24
Are you serious? We got ALL our strategies/info from other version cygnus videos, and we were one of the first groups to kill the V2 instructors.
An hour or two on youtube would have answered every question you asked, and more.
TMS has guards, they just glitch it so they don't have to bother with them, since the weapons are worth WAY more.
We have always had guards, but it was glitched and wouldn't summon past 3 at one point.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - StopMe - 2011-08-24
Marksman Bryan Wrote:Are you serious? We got ALL our strategies/info from other version cygnus videos, and we were one of the first groups to kill the V2 instructors.
An hour or two on youtube would have answered every question you asked, and more.
TMS has guards, they just glitch it so they don't have to bother with them, since the weapons are worth WAY more.
We have always had guards, but it was glitched and wouldn't summon past 3 at one point.
I'm really not here to argue, but cygnus doesn't really have a strategy. It's raw damage and that's it, excluding DR and banish.
Crashing is not a strategy. Everyone crashes, and if they don't that is there problem.
The errors in the spawn are errors and do not require strategy as I see it, being errors.
I'm not questioning what you guys know, because your group has done it. I congratulate you on that.
Any bosser would have found out what to do HP wise, assuming there were enough people in your world (Which in most cases there are).
I made this thread for the sole reason of our group being in Chaos. We don't really have as many people capable of taking on bosses like this, excluding trust as a factor.
I just wanted to make sure. I'm sure youtube would have answered some of these questions had I known that gMS Cygnus worked just like KMS.
But oh wait, it doesn't work just like kMS or TMS (As you mentioned). We had one glitch, as you mentioned, with the guards. I wanted to make sure there weren't any more.
It's a shame that there are. This has cleared some of them up, as was the intended purpose.
I'll look up some of these videos regardless, seeing as they can probably show me where the V2 instructors spawn at.
Thanks for the help. No sarcasm intended, honestly.
Oh and, no video would have been able to tell me that TMS glitches there cygnus (I'm assuming rushing to the wall is working or worked for them, cause that's all I saw).
I just assumed there were no guards, because obviously gMS and KMS can not do that.
Is Empress Cygnus semi-fixed? - Marksman Bryan - 2011-08-25
StopMe Wrote:I'm really not here to argue, but cygnus doesn't really have a strategy. It's raw damage and that's it, excluding DR and banish.
Crashing is not a strategy. Everyone crashes, and if they don't that is there problem.
The errors in the spawn are errors and do not require strategy as I see it, being errors.
I'm not questioning what you guys know, because your group has done it. I congratulate you on that.
Any bosser would have found out what to do HP wise, assuming there were enough people in your world (Which in most cases there are).
I made this thread for the sole reason of our group being in Chaos. We don't really have as many people capable of taking on bosses like this, excluding trust as a factor.
I just wanted to make sure. I'm sure youtube would have answered some of these questions had I known that gMS Cygnus worked just like KMS.
But oh wait, it doesn't work just like kMS or TMS (As you mentioned). We had one glitch, as you mentioned, with the guards. I wanted to make sure there weren't any more.
It's a shame that there are. This has cleared some of them up, as was the intended purpose.
I'll look up some of these videos regardless, seeing as they can probably show me where the V2 instructors spawn at.
Thanks for the help. No sarcasm intended, honestly.
Oh and, no video would have been able to tell me that TMS glitches there cygnus (I'm assuming rushing to the wall is working or worked for them, cause that's all I saw).
I just assumed there were no guards, because obviously gMS and KMS can not do that.
Sorry if my other post came off a bit douche-y, just re-read it lol
People keep saying "DPSDPSDPS = strategy" but in reality, if you brought pure DPS to empress, you could not kill the 5 instructors. I believe there is strategy involved, EVEN THOUGH some problems are solved with high DPS.
Yes, there were errors in the spawn, and there was no way to get around that, but now spawns are fixed, and they DO require strategy.
HP wise? On runs that go smoothly, I do perfectly fine with 12k hp (0 deaths). If you want to tank everything, go ahead, get 50k HP
Cygnus still heals after you kill the instructors, that's the only glitch we know of.
TMS glitches cygnus by rushing it and not letting it summon - we can do that in GMS, but there's no point since the only reason cygnus is worth going to is for the instructor drops.