MetaSeraphim Wrote:Valfar = Demon Slayer?

HighOnMushrooms Wrote:Sue has been missing for a while, she's Orca's twin. By the way, Orca's title is the Wing Master

Gwar has only been mentioned with the above quest.

kimicatdemon Wrote:How many times do I have to fight Francis from him to up and go then? Evan left Hiver alive as well.
I don't think anyone on the Black Wings team will officially DIE until their full over all purpose is served and seeing how we have yet to meet an end on this story, i don't think there will be a death anytime soon.

(P.S. I like the name you gave Demon Slayer. Suave.)

Corazon Wrote:-Aran is going to be accepted as canonically female until proven otherwise.

Corazon Wrote:-Mercedes is canonically female, and is Queen of the Elves (this is proven to be canon).

MetaSeraphim Wrote:Aran isn't even canonically proven as female. If anything the flashback of Aran showing them to be male canonically proves they're male.



Doesn't the questline call "It" a King?

MetaSeraphim Wrote:Aran isn't even canonically proven as female. If anything the flashback of Aran showing them to be male canonically proves they're male.

MetaSeraphim Wrote:Doesn't the questline call "It" a King?

Corazon Wrote:First off, if I'm right, Evan doesn't fight Francis nor Baroq. This means that he cannot be the canon killer of these two.

If we factor in that Mikhail is the captain of the Cygnus Knights, in a story where our first-person view Cygnus Knights don't exist, he'd be the only one capable of killing Eleanor, due to his unwavering loyalty to the Empress. This would make him the canon killer of Eleanor.

Then we have the fact that Aran fights Francis more than once. She's also encountered them both on multiple occasions, so thus she could be the canon killer in this case.

Hiver exists in all storylines, save for the Thief and Pirate legends (whom from a source I hear are to be named Boralis and Krytus - could be hugely wrong on this though); meaning one of those two could canonically kill Hiver. As for Akyrum, we'll assume that Valfar gets his revenge on Akyrum for that backhand several hundred years ago - this makes him the canon killer for Akyrum, even though he was built with Explorers in mind.

Remember, for this story to really work properly, we have to remove us Maplers from the picture, and put the NPCs/Heroes in charge. Since Valfar exists as an entity of the Black Legion entirely, he counts as a Maple-bred hero, albeit not a member of the five that took out the Black Mage (whom I will from now on refer to as Asmodius).Why Asmodius? Why not something like Shawn, or Russell? Or something that makes sense like Kerebos, the "Demon from the Pit"?


Story Notes:

-Aran is going to be accepted as canonically female until proven otherwise. She's responsible for retrieving Victoria Island's Seal Stone, and defeating Francis and Baroq. Why? All the artwork points to Aran being a male.
-Evan is the gullible fool responsible for letting the Black Wings get so far.[B]Yeah, basically. STUPID DRAGON.
-Valfar is canonically male, and was originally a member of the Black Knights. For all intents and purposes, Valfar gets his revenge on Akyrum, and kills him. Canonical win for Valfar.Actually, the Demon Slayer is explicitly canonically portrayed as neither. That's why KMS lets you create a male or a female DS, no matter what your gender is in real life (according to your KSSN), and there are 2 separate trailers for male and female.
-Mercedes is canonically female, and is Queen of the Elves (this is proven to be canon). She has a brief clash with General Orca, and Orca escapes the battle (though the game states it's a victory for Mercedes here, we'll assume canonically it's a draw). So, if someone runs up, beats you to within an inch of your life, and then you run away, you can brag to your friends that it's a draw?
-Nothing is known on the Pirate and Thief legends, save their names, which may or may not be legit - Boralis and Krytus. Just out of random interest, where did you hear those names, and which one would belong to which legend?
-Mikhail is the oldest and wisest member of the Cygnus Guard, second to Irena, with Eckhart being in the middle, and Oz being the youngest. Because he's been serving Cygnus for quite some time, even long before Nineheart, he can at least break loose of Eleanor's curse, and be able to kill her. Eckhart is actually the youngest, as I learned yesterday from Hawkeye, in the insight level 20 quest.

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-Hiver still exists due to the fact that he's a clever genius, as opposed to Francis' arrogance that he's a genius. So far, no one's been able to kill him.
-Shadow Warrior is most likely dead. Unknown at this point who has the potential to get canon credit for killing him, but he's probably dead. I do believe that he shows up in the Mercedes storyline, and is defeated (not sure if killed) by Mercedes. Hiver sends Mercedes into a trap in Ludibrium, but is never fought.
-Hiver and Shadow Warrior most likely serve under Goire, if not under Orca (I doubt Orca because she's more pathetic than Hiver, who's dodged notice for long enough and has lived - Orca had to flee her battle knowing she'd get killed if she stuck around).All canonical evidence in the Mercedes storyline points to Orca controlling Hiver and SW during that period of time, but it seems as if they are both part of a general goon squad that the black wings use to battle the heroes.

Raul Wrote:Why Asmodius? Why not something like Shawn, or Russell? Or something that makes sense like Kerebos, the "Demon from the Pit"? Recall that in past quest lines, using black magic, like necromancy or the like, was said to slowly turn you into a demon. Asmodius is a ploy off of Asmodeus, which is another name for Lucifer/Satan. Since Black Mage probably lost his humanity during the Magatia Immortality incident and became a demon, it makes sense to call him Asmodius, since MapleStory paints him as the penultimate evil.

Story Notes:

- Why? All the artwork points to Aran being a male. I've factored that in. But then explain the screw up by Nexon in the Alliance gathering, wherein Aran is portrayed as female?
-Yeah, basically. STUPID DRAGON.I blame this one on Mir's immaturity.
-Actually, the Demon Slayer is explicitly canonically portrayed as neither. That's why KMS lets you create a male or a female DS, no matter what your gender is in real life (according to your KSSN), and there are 2 separate trailers for male and female.Then explain to me why his class select artwork is only showing the male version?
- So, if someone runs up, beats you to within an inch of your life, and then you run away, you can brag to your friends that it's a draw? In my eyes, in a fight you win if you kill the other person, especially if we're talking wars here. Orca got away, but how do we know she wasn't pulling punches here?
-Just out of random interest, where did you hear those names, and which one would belong to which legend? This. Look at the comments, and you'll see someone say something about it; again, I repeat it may or may not be true.
-Eckhart is actually the youngest, as I learned yesterday from Hawkeye, in the insight level 20 quest. I did not know that. But still, Mikhail apparently retains his title as the "most loyal to Cygnus". This is evident by the fact that even though he's a Dawn Warrior, the very symbol of light, he's still easily turned due to his unwavering loyalty.
-All canonical evidence in the Mercedes storyline points to Orca controlling Hiver and SW during that period of time, but it seems as if they are both part of a general goon squad that the black wings use to battle the heroes. I dunno about that. Explain to me the rabbit squad she uses, her overall obsession with bunnies, and the fact that she's in the meeting room where Akyrum, Von Leon, and Valfar are plotting to burn Valfar's house down (at Valfar's protest, may I add?). Sounds to me she could very well be an Ariant or Henesys native, adopted by the Black Mage at one point.

Nepi Wrote:Somewhat offopic: Has Alcaster been given any new storyline in the Mercedes or Demon Slayer quests? He was arguably the most important person of rebuilding Ossyria after Black Magician's defeat (built Magatia, made Orbis float, sealed Zakum, etc.), would be weird if they neglected him now. The Magatia storyline clearly hinted that he stole his alchemy powers from Black Magician's studies, wouldn't be surprised if he had secretly been an old follower of him or something.

Quote:I've factored that in. But then explain the screw up by Nexon in the Alliance gathering, wherein Aran is portrayed as female?

MetaSeraphim Wrote:As I said before Aran is changed between male and female a lot. In the flashback of fighting the Black Magician Aran is shown as male, when you go into the past Aran is shown as a male.

And, I wouldn't put much weight into those images, they completely left out entire classes, guess those classes no longer exist because they weren't shown, eh? Do those images show up in game? If not than Aran is canonically male because he is shown as male two times within the game, anything outside the game doesn't count. Also, to use your excuse about Demon Slayer, Aran is shown as male on his class creation icon.