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Final Attack - Avatarded - 2011-07-23
With BB and Chaos, FA has been redesigned but I'm having a hard time finding an explanation of how exactly it works now, and what skills it effects for warriors.
Final Attack - Locked - 2011-07-23
It's an extra attack with no animation.
Final Attack - Myles - 2011-07-23
Locked Wrote:It's an extra attack with no animation.
No animation, no delay in your attacks, no MP cost and I think it works with 4th job skills now.
Basically, it's well worth the 20 points.
Final Attack - Stereo - 2011-07-23
It's also so slow to fire off that most of the time you won't see it doing damage until your next attack starts. Which makes it useless on improving your hits to KO, cause you won't see it kill something in time to not attack again.
It does add an ok amount of damage on bosses though.
Final Attack - Hanabira.Kage - 2011-07-23
Yes, it's worth it.
By the way, has anyone tried using Slash Blast with it? It still appears to hit multiple targets, but it seems to deal like 1/5 the damage of the first FA on the second target it hits, and another 1/6 of that (i.e. 1/30 of the first FA's damage) on the third.
By the way, has anyone tried using Slash Blast with it? It still appears to hit multiple targets, but it seems to deal like 1/5 the damage of the first FA on the second target it hits, and another 1/6 of that (i.e. 1/30 of the first FA's damage) on the third.
Final Attack - ShinkuDragon - 2011-07-23
so far, it seems to hit only once (powerstrike-mode) on all skills unless you use slash blast, in such case, what hanabira said happens.
Final Attack - Avatarded - 2011-07-23
So my understanding then is that FA's attack bonus isn't in addition to the skill that triggered it, rather it is it's own attack, that causes damage based on that %? I'm confused. When looking at the bowmen thread there's a break-down for their skills effected by FA. As a paladin my bulk of damage is expected to come from ACB. Should I expect that my FAs should be meager by comparison?
Can I expect it to go something like this ACB 480% (with CO) procs a 150% FA? Or should I expect something more like ACB 480 procs FA-ACB 480*1.5?
What of the mastery bonus of ACB, does it also apply to FA when FA is PROced off of ACB? Assuming ACB can even PROc FA that is.
Edit: BTW Shinku, I was captivated by your signature.
Final Attack - ShinkuDragon - 2011-07-23
don't quote me on this, but i am pretty sure that FA is 150% of your range, 99%sure, since the damage from pre to after chaos didn't change (where buster got a massive buff.) i am pretty sure what nexon did was remove the animation for the skill, leave the delay for it (as in animation delay) and then:
if you use power strike: do power strike FA
if you use Slash Blast: do slash blast FA
if you use anything else: do power strike FA
also, what part of my sig? the grammar nazi or the pokemon part?
Final Attack - Avatarded - 2011-07-23
If we are to consider the FA as a free extra attack with 150% of our range, it would be rather meager damage addition, free yes, worth the points, i suppose. However if we take a trip in the way back machine we can see that FA used to perform a like attack with increased damage.
Now it seems to be a tac-on-addition to damage, mitigation by defense as any other attack would be. I would imagine this to be problematic as the damage bonus would be on par with the souls from the CK class, which mind you is a first job skill. To put it in pure warrior terms, a level -3 (yes negative level) power strike, or 14 slash blast. Only that it is chance to procured for free.
However if it worked as it used to, that would cause balance problems with other classes, granted a single impressive attack has been massively overshadowed by multiple smaller attacks as of late from other classes.
As a warrior, FA doesn't seem too important as say a Bowmen, it just feels like an after-thought. Like if you have enough SP after all the other stuff you want.
As a Hero I can see the utility of a free off brandish, makes you compete with low NX Dual Blades.
Edit: Yeah the grammar nazi, no one cares about Deoxys
Final Attack - Locked - 2011-07-23
Pretty sure FA is 150% of the skill being used.. lmao
Final Attack - ShinkuDragon - 2011-07-23
Locked Wrote:Pretty sure FA is 150% of the skill being used.. lmao
if it were so, it wouldn't hit less than my buster.
Final Attack - Locked - 2011-07-23
ShinkuDragon Wrote:if it were so, it wouldn't hit less than my buster.
Then it's 150% for bowmen. It always hits higher than my hurricane.
Final Attack - Avatarded - 2011-07-23
Final attack does equal damage to level 5 Hurricane (@30 is 200% not much difference). It has been noted there is a delay between skill and FA, so you should be seeing FA first (the smaller numbers) and then your subsequent 'cane attacks. if you had slower attack speed, you may notice the difference.
But we digress; the reason it used to work that way is because lower class skills didn't have a lot of power to begin with.
The fact is if it worked the way it used to on higher class skills it wouldn't even be a question because the answer would be obvious.
Now we have a skill that seems antiquated for our warrior class, that wizet-korea and nexon hasn't found a balance for, and doesn't have the stones to cut out.
Final Attack - octopusprime - 2011-07-24
Avatarded Wrote:Final attack does equal damage to level 5 Hurricane (@30 is 200% not much difference). It has been noted there is a delay between skill and FA, so you should be seeing FA first (the smaller numbers) and then your subsequent 'cane attacks. if you had slower attack speed, you may notice the difference.
But we digress; the reason it used to work that way is because lower class skills didn't have a lot of power to begin with.
The fact is if it worked the way it used to on higher class skills it wouldn't even be a question because the answer would be obvious.
Now we have a skill that seems antiquated for our warrior class, that wizet-korea and nexon hasn't found a balance for, and doesn't have the stones to cut out.
Don't talk about my eventual advanced final attack in that dirty fashion. As a crusader i love the skill. As hero i'm sure i'll love it. As a paladin it's always been kind of meh. As a post-jump hero that skill is going to be freaking golden.
EDIT: damn i must've been on crack.
Final Attack - JoeTang - 2011-07-24
Locked Wrote:Then it's 150% for bowmen. It always hits higher than my hurricane.
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Final Attack - Locked - 2011-07-24
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I've never seen it hit lower than 220% @ hurricane
Maybe it's too fast.