kruimel0 Wrote:Wait for nexon to buff Mercedes...

JoeTang Wrote:I'd really like to know why everyone thinks Cannon Shooters are weak and get repeatedly nerfed when their strength was mobbing, their mobbing was overpowered, their single target was always weak, and their single target was buffed.

Locked Wrote:Because they suck at both now.

JoeTang Wrote:I'd really like to know why everyone thinks Cannon Shooters are weak and get repeatedly nerfed when their strength was mobbing, their mobbing was overpowered, their single target was always weak, and their single target was buffed.

Baklava Wrote:When you compare it to other "mobbing" based classes? I'm not sure, I'm just basing this off peoples' reactions.
What skills are supposedly "good" for Shooters and how does their mobbing/single target compare with other classes?

Baklava Wrote:>Repeatedly nerf an already weak class

>Buff a class that was pretty well done in the first place

>???

WHY RELEASE CANNON SHOOTERS AT ALL!!!

JoeTang Wrote:Cannon Shooters pomegranate all over other ranged physical characters 1st through 3rd job except now Mercedes (and ranged characters pomegranate all over melee characters 1st through 3rd job), and 1st through 3rd job are primarily what was changed for Cannon Shooter before everyone started crying. The only nerf in 4th job is making Buster a Single Target instead of a strong multi-target with almost no single target capacity, and changing Support Monkey Twins into Octopus because it doesn't mob anymore.

1st job, they have a ranged mob skill that's fast and a movement skill that doubles as a very fast mob skill.

2nd job, they have a rushing skill that hits 8 monsters. It does as much DPS to 8 as 3rd job mobbing skills of other characters. And it Rushes.

3rd job, Cannon Spike is the strongest non-Magician 3rd job mobbing skill in the game and it has absurd range. They nerfed it and it was still the strongest 3rd job mobbing skill. Then they buffed it again. It does nearly as much damage as Arrow Rain/Eruption on 10 monsters, and 10 monsters is almost impossible to get for an Archer.

4th job, Bazooka has the largest horizontal range of any skill, as far as I know, and does about equal DPS of Warrior mobbing, but can be boosted more by weapon speed increases during bossing. In training, it basically OHKO anythings and requires them to not need to move, even if it doesn't OHKO. Magnetic Anchor does really high damage for a mobbing summon as well as controlling where they are. Mechanically, they perform the best mobbing in the game. Their single target sucks because it's poorly designed. Their design philosophy appears to be a primarily training and mobbing role with support from their buffs. Everyone wants single target DPS. You can say the same thing about Buccaneers and why they shouldn't exist if that's your argument.

Satellite Wrote:Because Cannon Shooter is a Pirate. Since Jump, you should know that Pirates and thieves are not meant to be strong.

Baklava Wrote:Oh, it seems like a pretty cool class then.
When you say the single target is poorly designed, do you mean like Paladins where they have a good single target attack but require troll amounts of setup and hoping for weaknesses poorly designed, or is it just bad skills?

octopusprime Wrote:ahahaha. ha ha. Nice.



Several classes run around 9 buffs or so... that isnt really troll amounts of setup.