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Post-BB Dual Blade build - Zelkova - 2011-02-24
This in no way is my SP build, the Thief forum has no builds currently displayed.
The original author of this build is ShadyPriest and he posts this build in this thread
[I] Thief (Lvl. 10-20)
10 Double Stab
Save SP
Notes: 10 Double Stab is a pre-requisite for triple stab in II job.
[II] Blade Recruit (Lvl. 20-30)
1 Triple Stab
Max (20) Katara Mastery
6 Katara Booster
Max (10) Triple Stab
Max (20) Katara Booster
1 Disorder
Notes: Mastery is prioritized before putting more than 1 point into triple stab because everything in II job dies quickly, so it would be better if you had more stable damage earlier. For some reason, we can no longer save SP from II job over to II+ job. The 1 point into Disorder is because there is nothing else worth putting points into (yet), so we start on dark sight's (which we will need later on) pre-requisite.
[II+] Blade Acolyte (Lvl. 30-55)
Max (20) Slash Storm
Max (20) Self Haste
Max (20) Shadow Resistance
3 Disorder (not 3 points into Disorder, just that it should be at level 3)
Max (10) Dark Sight
4-5 extra points
Notes: Slash Storm is maxed first because it has been majorly buffed after big bang. Fatal Blow is skipped entirely (unless you use the few extra points in it) because it is useless beyond 2nd job (gets out-damaged by Upper Stab later on, even on a single target), and Triple Stab should better compliment slash storm during these levels.
[III] Blade Specialist (Lvl. 55-70)
1 Tornado Spin
1 Flashbang
Max (20) Flash Jump
Save SP
Notes: The 1 point skills both have niche purposes, but I still recommend them. Flash Jump helps ALL the time, and is incredibly fun.
[III+] Blade Lord (Lvl. 70-120)
Max (10) Bloody Storm
Max (20) Flying Assaulter
Max (30) Mirror Image
Max (20) Tornado Spin
Max (20) Upper Stab
Max (20) Owl Spirit
Max (20) Flashbang
Max (20) Advanced Dark Sight
14-17 extra points
Notes: Bloody Storm (majorly buffed after big bang) is maxed first in order to combo with Flying Assaulter. It requires less points than the Flying Assaulter -> Tornado Spin (and Upper Stab) combo, and is better when you're relatively weaker at early third job and mobs take a long(er) time to kill. Mirror image is now based on a multiplier of your skill damage (aka majorly buffed after big bang, although it's still not affected by final cut or criticals). Tornado Spin is maxed before Upper Stab because you don't use Upper Stab much until you can combo Tornado Spin with Flying Assaulter. The order of Owl Spirit and Flashbang could be switched depending on your preferences.
[IV] Blade Master (Lvl. 120+)
1 Chains of Hell
Max (30) Final Cut
Max (30) Thorns
Max (30) Chains of Hell
To be continued... (or not)
Notes: The 1 point in Chains of Hell is for the times i-frames may come in handy. Final Cut now gives a larger damage boost than Thorns. Chains of Hell is given a relatively low priority because Upper Stab's DPS is similar (seemingly very close) to Chains of Hell itself. Sudden Raid and Monster Bomb are niche skills, and Mirrored Target is cute. You may want to put 1 point into them somewhere along the way. 1 point in Venom may also help early on. Although it can now work on bosses as well, it generally has been majorly nerfed after big bang.
I am only making this thread out of necessity. Once again, I am only making this thread because there are no Post BB Dual blade threads being shown in this section of the forum. Please Sticky this thread or a specific thread that is better than mine.
Thank you~
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Link - 2011-02-24
Oh, my god... Keith is actually contributing to Southperry? Holy pineapple.
In any case, thanks for re-posting this. I didn't even see the other one. I've been neglecting to pump my SP into skills on my Dual Blade because I didn't know what to put points into, since the whole SP distribution system was changed compared to how the pre-Big Bang build worked.
However, I may just wait until Chaos arrives in JMS to even touch my Dual Blade.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Worthyness - 2011-02-24
how would the non-NX builds change? Considering making one when we get the return of the hero event just for the mask.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Cydonia - 2011-02-25
Just a few suggestions. You didn't mention anywhere about maxing nimble body. I believe the skill is much more useful post bb and will actually help you out down the road if you get some %avoid. I recommend maxing nimble instead of putting points in double stab/triple stab/fb, I did just fine with 1 double stab. It is not hard at all to level to 30 with just 1 point in double stab, and once you get to 30 you will never use it again.
Also, IMO (as well as many others) maxing CoH is pretty useless because it gets outdamaged by Upper Stab (maybe not the case when its max coh vs max US, but it's not worth spending 30 points to just get a small damage increase). The only useful thing that comes out of it is iframes, in which case 1 point is enough. Also, you might want to consider pumping up MW somewhere in 4th job, I suggest sometime after or during when you max final cut. After final cut and thorns is maxed, I actually think maxing mirror target is the best way to go. DBs are somewhat squishy (especially with constant use of final cut) and generally the only way around this is their amazing alacrity and avoidance. With mirror target, you get a big boost to DEF and passive dodge, which is amazing.
Keep in mind this is only a temporary build because once chaos comes out, it will change almost entirely in 4th job.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - ghostofhalo - 2011-02-25
Worthyness Wrote:how would the non-NX builds change? Considering making one when we get the return of the hero event just for the mask.Well, seeing how the event is in Chaos... you don't.
Spadow Wrote:The cash items are permanent. No need to worry about that. However, Dual Blade characters will be getting something extra
![[Image: roth-boomupevent7.png?w=533&h=57]](http://spadow.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/roth-boomupevent7.png?w=533&h=57)
Event mastery books!! You get Slash Storm 20, Tornado Spin 20, Mirror Imaging 30 and Flying Assaulter 20.
How awesome is that? I feel bad for those who spent some money on those mastery books in Cash Shop.
Though, this is only limited and happens on selected days.
![[Image: roth-boomupevent2.png?w=178&h=299]](http://spadow.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/roth-boomupevent2.png?w=178&h=299)
Unless Nexon America gets cheap(er) on us and doesn't pass them out.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Death - 2011-02-25
I want my NX back. Lol
And i screwed up my post bb skills so bad...
I got 19 in CoH and 16 in thorns and 4 in final cut atm. (Didn't get a SP reset even though a message said i did =_=)
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Fius - 2011-02-25
Cydonia Wrote:Just a few suggestions. You didn't mention anywhere about maxing nimble body. I believe the skill is much more useful post bb and will actually help you out down the road if you get some %avoid. I recommend maxing nimble instead of putting points in double stab/triple stab/fb, I did just fine with 1 double stab. It is not hard at all to level to 30 with just 1 point in double stab, and once you get to 30 you will never use it again.Nah, avoid doesn't do anything to even thieves in the current state of GMS. Even with thousands of avoid, I still get hit, say 90% of the time at late 14x. Anywhere. I only have nimble maxed because I was already in 3rd job when we got the free full SP resets, and it's not like triple stab would've been any better.
By the looks of it, Chaos will give us the dodge rate back though. Looking forward to that.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Overlord - 2011-02-25
For blade specialist, you could lower the FJ Points to anywhere from 6 to 9 if you want to max out your Lv70+ skills bit earlier
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Cydonia - 2011-02-25
Are you fucking kidding me? Free mastery books for new DBs, while older devoted DBs that invested money for those skills get nothing? Fucking lame. If GMS does this, people who already spent money on their DB books better get something nice like a mask or something.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Overlord - 2011-02-25
Cydonia Wrote:Are you fucking kidding me? Free mastery books for new DBs, while older devoted DBs that invested money for those skills get nothing? Fucking lame. If GMS does this, people who already spent money on their DB books better get something nice like a mask or something.
Eh, you did have the option of just buying the mastery books or for mesos off players. I just payed for the rare ones by nx -Tornado spin and slash storm- Others by mesos.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Cydonia - 2011-02-25
Overlord Wrote:Eh, you did have the option of just buying the mastery books or for mesos off players. I just payed for the rare ones by nx -Tornado spin and slash storm- Others by mesos.
That's not the point. People will be getting the books for free where others had to pay money for them. It's not fair.
It's like Nexon giving 10 free cubes to everyone only on the condition that they haven't purchased cubes before. The others that support Nexon my spending nx on cubes get nothing.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - 66alex66 - 2011-02-25
Cydonia Wrote:That's not the point. People will be getting the books for free where others had to pay money for them. It's not fair.
It's like Nexon giving 10 free cubes to everyone only on the condition that they haven't purchased cubes before. The others that support Nexon my spending nx on cubes get nothing.
I think it's good, just because you had to pay money why do others have to? It's better for others even if it's unfair to you, and Nexon might just be realizing that paying for skills isn't such a good idea.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Overlord - 2011-02-25
Cydonia Wrote:That's not the point. People will be getting the books for free where others had to pay money for them. It's not fair.
It's like Nexon giving 10 free cubes to everyone only on the condition that they haven't purchased cubes before. The others that support Nexon my spending nx on cubes get nothing.
Still, they put the books for money and you paid. You could've just not made a Db for that reason and yet you still paid for it.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Worthyness - 2011-02-25
Cydonia Wrote:That's not the point. People will be getting the books for free where others had to pay money for them. It's not fair.
It's like Nexon giving 10 free cubes to everyone only on the condition that they haven't purchased cubes before. The others that support Nexon my spending nx on cubes get nothing.
you do know that you get the added benefit of extra skill points with the NX books right? That's a significant advantage over non-nx users.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Lozmaster - 2011-02-25
Worthyness Wrote:you do know that you get the added benefit of extra skill points with the NX books right? That's a significant advantage over non-nx users.
I dunno about everyone else, but I'm pretty sure the bigbang SP resets took away any extra points I had from skillbooks :/
Quote:Are you pineappleing kidding me? Free mastery books for new DBs, while older devoted DBs that invested money for those skills get nothing? pineappleing lame. If GMS does this, people who already spent money on their DB books better get something nice like a mask or something.
DBs who spent money on nx books don't deserve anything else. You got what you paid for. No-one forced you to buy the damn things and it was your choice. This is coming from me having bought all the 1st-3rd job books, and thorns.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Cydonia - 2011-02-25
66alex66 Wrote:I think it's good, just because you had to pay money why do others have to? It's better for others even if it's unfair to you
So you wouldn't mind not one single bit if Nexon all of a sudden made pets and equips not cost NX at all? Obviously they wouldn't, but just think --everyone who bought pets and equips had to spend money for that, now everyone new can just get it all for free while everyone who spent NX gets nothing not even the slightest bit compensation. How does that make you feel? If you don't care, I assure you others would be livid. Or better yet, lets push it a bit further. Upon character creation, you have a 50% chance that everything you buy in the CS is half price. You only get the chance to do this once. Doesn't feel good when you're paying full price and half the rest get CS items for 1/2 price, does it?
66alex66 Wrote:and Nexon might just be realizing that paying for skills isn't such a good idea.
I think it's a great idea. It gives you the option to get the skills on your own with mesos/hunting, or if you wan't a shortcut you can just buy the skills. Don't be surprised when you eventually see 100% mastery books for every class available in the CS.
Overlord Wrote:Still, they put the books for money and you paid. You could've just not made a Db for that reason and yet you still paid for it.
I didn't have a problem paying for them. And The DB is the only class I want to play. I was just starting out. Where am I going to get the mesos to buy all the books, and even then what if some fail? Buying the books was the only option for me, and like I said that's not what I'm complaining about.
Lozmaster Wrote:DBs who spent money on nx books don't deserve anything else. You got what you paid for. No-one forced you to buy the damn things and it was your choice. This is coming from me having bought all the 1st-3rd job books, and thorns.
Like I said eariler, if you want to play a DB buying them is pretty much the only option. Don't act like I had a choice because I didn't. The only people that have the choice are super funded characters that just buy the mastery books for them. And don't say "well just make a different character then". No. If DB is the only class that I want to play, I'm going to play it.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Sorien - 2011-02-25
Hey, about those free mastery books for DBs. Are those for newly created ones during the event, or for all DBs, including the ones made before the event?
Post-BB Dual Blade build - Death - 2011-02-25
Sorien Wrote:Hey, about those free mastery books for DBs. Are those for newly created ones during the event, or for all DBs, including the ones made before the event?
its nexon.
what do you think? xD
Post-BB Dual Blade build - 66alex66 - 2011-02-25
Cydonia Wrote:So you wouldn't mind not one single bit if Nexon all of a sudden made pets and equips not cost NX at all? Obviously they wouldn't, but just think --everyone who bought pets and equips had to spend money for that, now everyone new can just get it all for free while everyone who spent NX gets nothing not even the slightest bit compensation. How does that make you feel? If you don't care, I assure you others would be livid. Or better yet, lets push it a bit further. Upon character creation, you have a 50% chance that everything you buy in the CS is half price. You only get the chance to do this once. Doesn't feel good when you're paying full price and half the rest get CS items for 1/2 price, does it? I think it's a great idea. It gives you the option to get the skills on your own with mesos/hunting, or if you wan't a shortcut you can just buy the skills. Don't be surprised when you eventually see 100% mastery books for every class available in the CS.
If this is directed personally towards me then hell yes i wouldn't care, i have one set of permanent NX cloths, and that's it, i change my eyes and hair because i can afford 10$ on this game once a month. +/- 10$ isn't going to ruin my life, and hell i would be happy if some people got the advantage over me, because honestly i don't care enough about weather they are better than me or not. I don't cash out enough on this game to care if i got the 50% reduction. As for OTHERS i'm sure people are going to whine about exclusion. Honestly if you have a minimum wage job and you REALLY want to play a DB you should be able to afford the books.
edit: Yeah it was a great idea to introduce a shortcut for the books, but if it's a shortcut then there has to be a long way too, currently there is no way to get Slash Storm without paying for gach or actually buying the book from CS. Main problem with the event is that they are just GIVING players mastery books, if they gave a way to receive the same skills from quests or atleast have more monsters that drop these it would be a better option.
Post-BB Dual Blade build - ShadyPriest - 2011-02-25
Cydonia Wrote:Just a few suggestions. You didn't mention anywhere about maxing nimble body. I believe the skill is much more useful post bb and will actually help you out down the road if you get some %avoid. I recommend maxing nimble instead of putting points in double stab/triple stab/fb, I did just fine with 1 double stab. It is not hard at all to level to 30 with just 1 point in double stab, and once you get to 30 you will never use it again.
Also, IMO (as well as many others) maxing CoH is pretty useless because it gets outdamaged by Upper Stab (maybe not the case when its max coh vs max US, but it's not worth spending 30 points to just get a small damage increase). The only useful thing that comes out of it is iframes, in which case 1 point is enough. Also, you might want to consider pumping up MW somewhere in 4th job, I suggest sometime after or during when you max final cut. After final cut and thorns is maxed, I actually think maxing mirror target is the best way to go. DBs are somewhat squishy (especially with constant use of final cut) and generally the only way around this is their amazing alacrity and avoidance. With mirror target, you get a big boost to DEF and passive dodge, which is amazing.
Keep in mind this is only a temporary build because once chaos comes out, it will change almost entirely in 4th job.
There's a lot of free room in what I wrote, and the extra points listed would probably go into nimble body. My point is that with the extra points, it doesn't matter what you do with them. Nimble body is useless (even more so), with the redundancy of accuracy and severe nerf of avoid after BB.
In regards to fourth job, it doesn't really matter what you do after maxing final cut, with the nerfs to thorns and chains. I listed thorns after final cut as a small damage boost that can also help your party, and won't come up as often as MW in parties. Chains makes you more versatile. Maxing it makes it practical to use as DPS, and not just something you would use in dojo. Chains has i-frames which can also act as a sort of stance. It also doesn't KB (more like a stun-KB) so it helps at Pap where you can take advantage of the top platforms and not get stunned/dispelled. MW would be a good idea to put points into sometime after final cut, but I preferred thorns and chains before for the reasons stated.
I made a thread a while ago to figure out what mirrored target does: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=36273
Other than its use as a puppet, it doesn't do anything other than give (arguably neglectable) passive defence. It does not give passive avoid to your character.