Southperry.net
Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Printable Version

+- Southperry.net (https://www.southperry.net)
+-- Forum: Social (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=14)
+--- Forum: Current Events (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=55)
+--- Thread: Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog (/showthread.php?tid=37918)

Pages: 1 2


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Erebus - 2011-02-16

Yahoo; Wrote:FEASTERVILLE, Pa. – A high school English teacher in suburban Philadelphia who was suspended for a profanity-laced blog in which she called her young charges "disengaged, lazy whiners" is driving a sensation by daring to ask: Why are today's students unmotivated — and what's wrong with calling them out?

As she fights to keep her job at Central Bucks East High School, 30-year-old Natalie Munroe says she had no interest in becoming any sort of educational icon. The blog has been taken down, but its contents can still be found easily online.

Her comments and her suspension by the middle-class school district have clearly touched a nerve, with scores of online commenters applauding her for taking a tough love approach or excoriating her for verbal abuse. Media attention has rained down, and backers have started a Facebook group.

"My students are out of control," Munroe, who has taught 10th, 11th and 12th grades, wrote in one post. "They are rude, disengaged, lazy whiners. They curse, discuss drugs, talk back, argue for grades, complain about everything, fancy themselves entitled to whatever they desire, and are just generally annoying."

And in another post, Munroe — who is more than eight months pregnant — writes: "Kids! They are disobedient, disrespectful oafs. Noisy, crazy, sloppy, lazy LOAFERS." She also comes up with a colorful list of comments that she felt should be available on student report cards.

Munroe did not use her full name or identify her students or school in the blog, which she started in August 2009 for friends and family. Last week, she said, students brought it to the attention of the school, which suspended her with pay.

"They get angry when you ask them to think or be creative," Munroe said of her students in an interview with The Associated Press on Tuesday. "The students are not being held accountable."

Munroe pointed out that she also said positive things, but she acknowledges that she did write some things out of frustration — and of a feeling that many kids today are being given a free pass at school and at home.

"Parents are more trying to be their kids' friends and less trying to be their parent," Munroe said, also noting students' lack of patience. "They want everything right now. They want it yesterday."

A spokesman for the Pennsylvania State Education Association declined to comment Tuesday because he said the group may represent Munroe. A message left for the Central Bucks School District superintendent was not immediately returned.

Sandi Jacobs, vice president of the National Council on Teacher Quality, said school districts are navigating uncharted territory when it comes to teachers' online behavior. Often, districts want teachers to have more contact with students and their families, yet give little guidance on how teachers should behave online even as students are more plugged in than they've ever been.

"This is really murky stuff," she said. "When you have a teacher using their blog to berate their students, maybe that's a little less murky. But the larger issue is, I think, districts are totally unprepared to deal with this."

Munroe has hired an attorney, who said that she had the right to post her thoughts on the blog and that it's a free speech issue. The attorney, Steven Rovner, said the district has led Munroe to believe that she will eventually lose her job.

"She could have been any person, any teacher in America writing about their lives," he said, pointing out that Munroe blogged about 85 times and that only about 15 to 20 of the posts involved her being a teacher. "It's honest and raw and a little edgy depending on your taste. ... She has a deep frustration for the educational system in America."

Rovner said that he would consider legal action if indeed Munroe loses her job.

"She did it as carefully as she could," he said about her blog. "It's so general that it applies to the problems in school districts and schools across the country."

___

Associated Press writer Dorie Turner in Atlanta contributed to this report.
Source

Thoughts?


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Worthyness - 2011-02-16

I honestly don't see the problem. She didn't point anyone out directly, and she didn't even use her full name. Blog = internets= free territory for everyone to dump their mind contents to. Whoever suspended her is an idiot. You have students who can rage about their teachers on their Facebooks or w/e and not be suspended, and as soon as an adult does it, it's considered suspension worthy? Double standard here methinks.

Last sentence says it all: her pomegranate was so general, it could be applied to almost any school teacher in any part of the world at any given time.

And about the contents: yeah kids aren't motivated in school anymore and they do get a free pass. Anyone in my high school with a D average gets to graduate. School is just a place they have to be until they're 8 and then the can proceed to pineapple up their lives to whatever the hell they want. But we continue school for those motivated few who will get into college and who will go to places later on in life. Those kids are just butthurt because it's true.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Secun - 2011-02-16

She's right.
Kids these days are pineappleing little whiners asking for hand-outs all the damn time.

People just get too damn butthurt these days to notice when there is a problem going on.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Anonymous Moose - 2011-02-16

First, I love how the article does not link us to the blog or at least a copy of the blog so that we could read it and decide for ourselves. Instead, they cherry pick quotes that dont give us the full picture. For example, I would like to read the blog to see if this blog is as profanity-laced as they claim.
As the article only cherry picked the quotes and information, I can only comment on the two major issues this article covers.

First, its a shame that this woman was fired for expressing her First Amendment right to Free Speech. We all know that free speech can be rude, but how would you like to be fired or punished just for a little venting?
The second issue is that she complains about student behaviors. Well, the system has failed the students.
[video=youtube;Bx4pN-aiofw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw[/video]


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - XTOTHEL - 2011-02-16

Anonymous Moose Wrote:First, its a shame that this woman was fired for expressing her First Amendment right to Free Speech.

Didn't the article say she was suspended without pay? != fired.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Anonymous Moose - 2011-02-16

XTOTHEL Wrote:Didn't the article say she was suspended without pay? != fired.

I mispoke obviously. I have a habit of overusing the term.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - XTOTHEL - 2011-02-16

Anonymous Moose Wrote:I mispoke obviously. I have a habit of overusing the term.

Ahh, noted.

Yea it is too bad she got fried.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Mute - 2011-02-16

XTOTHEL Wrote:Didn't the article say she was suspended without pay? != fired.

She was suspended with pay.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - XTOTHEL - 2011-02-16

Mute Wrote:She was suspended with pay.

As seen from above, people misspeak.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Mute - 2011-02-16

XTOTHEL Wrote:As seen from above, people misspeak.

You may be able to see it but I cannot.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Anonymous Moose - 2011-02-16

Let's not dwell on minor mistakes.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - MiSSHaku - 2011-02-16

I don't see anything wrong about her ranting, it's not like she pointed out exactly who she was belittling. >_>
Worthyness Wrote:I honestly don't see the problem. She didn't point anyone out directly, and she didn't even use her full name. Blog = internets= free territory for everyone to dump their mind contents to. Whoever suspended her is an idiot. You have students who can rage about their teachers on their Facebooks or w/e and not be suspended, and as soon as an adult does it, it's considered suspension worthy? Double standard here methinks.
Students at my school have been suspended over actions on Facebook. :X


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Anonymous Moose - 2011-02-16

MiSSHaku Wrote:Students at my school have been suspended over actions on Facebook. :X

Schools have tried going after students for eating mike-n-ikes.
Quote:The 16-year-old from Penn Valley, Pa. claims Matsko showed him photos remotely taken with the built-in webcam on his MacBook, according to the suit.

In the photos, the teen was allegedly holding two pill-shaped objects, says Robbins' attorney Mark Haltzman. School officials believed they were drugs, while the family maintains they were simply Mike-N-Ike candy.

"They were trying to allege that…those were pills and somehow he was involved in selling drugs," Halzman said Friday.
To make it worse the photos where obtained by a school issued laptop that was secretly spying on the student.
Quote:If the allegations of spying prove to be true, Blake may not be the only victim. Other students claim they've seen their webcam go live while off school grounds and worry they've been spied on too.

“Occasionally a green light would go on, on your computer which would kind of give you the feeling that somebody’s watching you,” Harriton High School student Drew Scheier told NBC Philadelphia Thursday.
http://citypaper.net/blogs/clog/2010/02/20/blake-robbins-crime-popping-mike-n-ikes-he-says/

Schools have fallen very far down the hole.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Locked - 2011-02-16

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:sALNOuknr30J:natalieshandbasket.blogspot.com/2010/01/if-you-dont-have-anything-nice-to-say.html+%22Where+are+we+going+and+why+are+we+in+this+handbasket%22+%22Natalie%22+%22If+you+don't+have+anything+nice+to+say%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

^ the blog itself.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Corn - 2011-02-16

-Asked too many questions and took too long to ask them. The bell means it's time to leave!
What?

-Weirdest kid I've ever met.
So?

Lol @ this comment.

Dear... you,

Hey, I remember you. This is Jeff Shoolbraid talking, just so you know I'm not hiding behind a computer screen and just randomly bashing you. I'm not sure if you remember me, but you were by far the worst teacher I've ever had because you were simply a plum. Turns out my assumption was correct. Though, if I just sit here and call you names and such it really doesn't prove any points and makes me essentially as unintelligent as you. It also doesn't really solve too much, but now that it's out of the way, here are my just as pointless two cents: Students can be a pain, but it's your job to deal with them. So this means it's your job to deal with the assholes, weird kids, drama queens, quiet kids, and so on. The students, on the other hand, don't really owe you anything. You see, as a teacher, the world should not revolve around you. You should revolve around the students' lives. Sure, maybe kids treat you like pomegranate, or don't give a pomegranate in general as far as the class goes, but you have to remember the demographic here. You're teaching high school kids. These are the rebellious/self involved/self discovering times in there lives. They are transitioning from being kids to adults. So sorry if they don't exactly know how to go about being interested in a high school English class. You need to give them a reason to give a pineapple, and this starts with showing respect to them, which involves a little bit of extra work on your part. Though, if you're not willing to do that, I don't blame you. I for one don't know what it's like from a teacher's prospective like yours, and I'd believe you if you said it was tough. Maybe teaching isn't cut out for you though. It doesn't give you the right to virtually abuse your class via an internet blog, which is just tacky by the way. It also doesn't give you the right to rob you students of a solid high school education. It's not a students' job to please you, it's your job to get a student an A to the best of your ability in a reasonable fashion. So sure, some students may still not give a pomegranate. If so, give them an F. Some students might still be assholes, but I had a pretty good relationship with Silverfox and all the principles at the school (not in a bad way) and I know they're all more than capable with dealing with those kids. And sure, some kids still might be drama queens (and kings, lets keep it pc) but hell, that's life. I also heard that this little stunt is getting your fired, and to all the students and parents that you've pissed off over the years, I'm going to take this opportunity to say good riddance!

Sincerely,
Jeff Shoolbraid

PS. Presidents have something to do with politics, I hope you've learned this by now.

______________________

I have a feeling she overreacted, but she probably was initially justified in her reaction.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Anonymous Moose - 2011-02-16

Maybe I'll read more of the blog later, but I'm wondering why the article calls this blog "profanity-laced." Is ass really that profane?


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Corn - 2011-02-16

Uses ass and pineapple a couple of times.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Anonymous Moose - 2011-02-16

Corn Wrote:Uses ass and pineapple a couple of times.

The word pineapple is only used once by the teacher in the specific link you gave.
"Rude, beligerent, argumentative pineapple."
I dont think using the word once warrents calling the blog "profanity-laced"

The 6 other cases of "pineapple" are in the comments.


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Corn - 2011-02-16

Anonymous Moose Wrote:The word pineapple is only used once by the teacher in the specific link you gave.
"Rude, beligerent, argumentative pineapple."

The 6 other cases of "pineapple" are in the comments.

Oops, I meant them collectively.

Still. I'd freak out if my report card contained something along the lines of "pineapple you."


Pa. teacher strikes nerve with 'lazy whiners' blog - Erich - 2011-02-16

Did she take it too far? Yes. Does she have her freedom of speech? Yes. Is she abusing it? No. Should schools allow some comments that actually say what the kid is like? Yes. Should snarky comments like this be allowed? Probably not.