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Brawlers and the Dash skill - Sorien - 2011-02-03
I was wondering if the new accuracy and avoid formulas made bullet time more or less useless at higher levels. And along with that, I figured that maybe getting dash would be a reasonable thing to do for Brawlers now, since they might still have a small use for it later on.
Brawlers and the Dash skill - CarrionCrow - 2011-02-03
Sorien Wrote:I was wondering if the new accuracy and avoid formulas made bullet time more or less useless at higher levels. And along with that, I figured that maybe getting dash would be a reasonable thing to do for Brawlers now, since they might still have a small use for it later on.
Acc is useless, yes. 5000+ avoid is worse now than 999 was pre BB. Though, I never saw any point in flash fist at all anyway. Kicking is just better, especially since you can use spears and polearms until your knuckle mastery is high. Just my thoughts.
Brawlers and the Dash skill - IllegallySane - 2011-02-03
Dash is useful all the way until you have Super Transform maxed, which is a looong time. Bullet Time's avoid boost is still good. A little more avoidance is always nice, plus Flash Fist is useful as crap because you will ALWAYS be kicking mobs of 2 or more which is practically all the time and Brawlers are lol at bossing until late 4th job anyways.
Brawlers and the Dash skill - Takebacker - 2011-02-03
Flash fist is your only 1v1 skill until you get drain. Dash is replaced by mounts, speed pills, and further by transformed states. Accuracy and avoid gets reworked in chaos.
Brawlers and the Dash skill - IllegallySane - 2011-02-03
Takebacker Wrote:Flash fist is your only 1v1 skill until you get drain. Dash is replaced by mounts, speed pills, and further by transformed states. Accuracy and avoid gets reworked in chaos.
-Speed pills? lolnope. Why have 110% speed when I can have 130% speed?
-Mounts have a small delay when getting off, which I don't like.
-The only Transformed state that makes Dash useless is Super Transform because of the very low downtime, otherwise 3rd job Transform is pretty bad if you want a movement boost.
Brawlers and the Dash skill - Takebacker - 2011-02-03
IllegallySane Wrote:-Speed pills? lolnope. Why have 110% speed when I can have 130% speed?
-Mounts have a small delay when getting off, which I don't like.
-The only Transformed state that makes Dash useless is Super Transform because of the very low downtime, otherwise 3rd job Transform is pretty bad if you want a movement boost.
Why have 130% active speed when you can have 140% active speed. The levels where dash is useful should be accompanied with a bathrobe and a speed pill anyway and there isn't a terrible difference between 120 passive speed and 140% active speed. Except active speed is f'ucking stupid when you're mostly spamming backspin blow anyway.
Argument on the same level as lag being a reason people screw up and die at bosses and should go for a training build instead. Lag is not SWAG and mounts are useful for non-training purposes. That's a fact. No reason not to get one.
Movement boost is a movement boost and it's something you'll have half the time, and if not, mount. There's no reason NOT to use transform since it's 20 passive weapon attack. Most maps are compact regardless.
Edit: Also dash becomes completely useless after you get 1 super transform. You have haste 3/4 of the time at that point.
Brawlers and the Dash skill - IllegallySane - 2011-02-03
Takebacker Wrote:Why have 130% active speed when you can have 140% active speed. The levels where dash is useful should be accompanied with a bathrobe and a speed pill anyway and there isn't a terrible difference between 120 passive speed and 140% active speed. Except active speed is f'ucking stupid when you're mostly spamming backspin blow anyway.
Argument on the same level as lag being a reason people screw up and die at bosses and should go for a training build instead. Lag is not SWAG and mounts are useful for non-training purposes. That's a fact. No reason not to get one.
Movement boost is a movement boost and it's something you'll have half the time, and if not, mount. There's no reason NOT to use transform since it's 20 passive weapon attack. Most maps are compact regardless.
-Well obviously we didn't have the luxury to spam Backspin Blow since we were the pre-BB pirates, and I hate the ugliness of Bathrobes. Not pirate-y at all. :|
-I didn't get a mount until 16x cause I'm that cheap. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
-It needs to be maxed anyways for both the speed and/or passive attack boost, which isn't happening until ~9x at the very least. Dash will still serve a nice purpose until then.
Brawlers and the Dash skill - Takebacker - 2011-02-03
-This was a pre-BB argument? o.o Most players won't care about looks. Rainbow suits are a pirate's wardrobe, remember?
-I don't think i got one till 8x. Didn't upgrade to mane until 13x.
-A purpose eclipsed by other movement abilities. You can SP reset out of anything you dislike anyway long as you catch the hot time. Arguments like this don't really matter anymore because of that.
Brawlers and the Dash skill - IllegallySane - 2011-02-03
Takebacker Wrote:-Rainbow suits are a pirate's wardrobe, remember?
-A purpose eclipsed by other movement abilities. You can SP reset out of anything you dislike anyway long as you catch the hot time. Arguments like this don't really matter anymore because of that.
-I like to be fashionable instead of having too much mismatched rainbow pimp gear, thank you very much.
-There will be many more hot times in the future?
Brawlers and the Dash skill - Sorien - 2011-02-03
Alright, thanks for the replies everyone, I think I might just leave flash fist un-maxed since it's replaced before all other skills.