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Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Kimihan - 2011-01-11
I searched the stickys and first page, couldn't find, so I ask now
Is the meso-cost of bandit/CB/Shadower the same (or higher) than Pre-BB ?
Not counting godly gear, but Pre-BB bandits had a huge pot cost and ME / MG just helped on that.
So, it's still the same cost as before ?
*I ask this question because I don't even have 1m funding on him.
**Already have him level 35, with MS Cape and Earring, don't wanna give up on him.
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Muppy - 2011-01-11
Pots drop like crazy nowadays, so you don't really have to worry about pot cost. Also, MG helps saving money. At least it was like that before BB... with the new pot prices, I don't know anymore.
I remember when blue pots were so fucking expensive (no funding) so I had to wait around until my mp bar was refilled from standing still (as a magician).
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Kimihan - 2011-01-11
Muppy Wrote:Pots drop like crazy nowadays, so you don't really have to worry about pot cost. Also, MG helps saving money. At least it was like that before BB... with the new pot prices, I don't know anymore.
I remember when blue pots were so pineappleing expensive (no funding) so I had to wait around until my mp bar was refilled from standing still (as a magician).
haha, me too. I remenber sitting on my Sniper on those HP/MP chairs, lol.
But doesn't MG drains mesos ? I mean, it's Meso Guard
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Worthyness - 2011-01-11
technically meso guard DOES drain mesos (i mean, that's what it does- it takes mesos to save you 50% of the damage), but it SAVES you money in the long run (as long as you loot some monies while training to cover your initial hits and then some). equips also drop like crazy fast, so you need not worry about not getting enough money to cover pot cost. Once you start using more efficient potions, you should be fine (a la the barbarian elixers or NLC % pots.)
In general, the line is traditionally expensive (don't know why, considering not a lot of people made them pre-BB). Due to the larger-than-normal bandwagon, all equips (and i mean ALL of them) have severely inflated (what used to cost maybe 25 mil has now gone up to 50mil+, etc.). Khanjar shields weren't worth beans pre-BB, but now they're worth a pretty penny (especially if they're potentialed). Hell dragon khanjars, which were already high cost, are reaching 500 mil clean.
In better news, you can pretty much get a Zakum helmet and MoN for a cheap price if you know the right people. And hunting for equips seems to be a lot easier due tohow potential works (of course, you have to be that level in order to hunt efficiently).
All in all, the money to fund a bandit has gone up immensely, but that shouldn't discourage you from making one. You can make perfectly unfunded characters and still do decently well. Hell if you think about it, any character you make now is infinitely better than the before-zakum era.
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Kimihan - 2011-01-11
Worthyness, thanks for detailed info.
I'm not trying to get those 9 slots 10%'ed 3 lines 21% LUK stuff, nor a D-Khanjar.
I just want to play the game, but the issue is I don't want to waste dozens of amounts of mesos, because I have other 2 chars to train properly. The dit is more like a .. breaker of the grind ? something like that.
So yeah, the equips are not a problem. Hunting/Making them is not a issue at all. The problem I have is that I am afraid it blows me meso to the drain.
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Five Second Pose - 2011-01-11
Meso Guard doesn't cost 1 meso for each point of damage blocked, it's always less than that. The actual number depends on your level of Meso Guard and Meso Mastery.
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Devil - 2011-01-11
New Meso Guard table (post BB):
Chief Bandit:
Meso Guard lvl:
01 -- MP Cost: 22, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 39.5%, 10.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 126 sec
02 -- MP Cost: 25, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 38.5%, 11.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 132 sec
03 -- MP Cost: 25, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 37.5%, 12.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 138 sec
04 -- MP Cost: 28, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 36.5%, 13.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 144 sec
05 -- MP Cost: 28, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 35.5%, 14.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 150 sec
06 -- MP Cost: 31, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 34.5%, 15.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 156 sec
07 -- MP Cost: 31, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 33.5%, 16.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 162 sec
08 -- MP Cost: 34, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 32.5%, 17.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 168 sec
09 -- MP Cost: 34, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 31.5%, 18.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 174 sec
10 -- MP Cost: 37, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 30.5%, 19.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
Shadower:
Meso Mastery lvl:
01 -- MP Cost: 37, 49% to your HP, Meso Costs: 30.09%, 20.91% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
02 -- MP Cost: 37, 48% to your HP, Meso Costs: 29.64%, 22.36% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
03 -- MP Cost: 37, 47% to your HP, Meso Costs: 29.15%, 23.85% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
04 -- MP Cost: 37, 46% to your HP, Meso Costs: 28.62%, 25.38% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
05 -- MP Cost: 37, 45% to your HP, Meso Costs: 28.05%, 26.95% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
06 -- MP Cost: 37, 44% to your HP, Meso Costs: 27.44%, 28.56% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
07 -- MP Cost: 37, 43% to your HP, Meso Costs: 26.79%, 30.21% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
08 -- MP Cost: 37, 42% to your HP, Meso Costs: 26.10%, 31.90% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
09 -- MP Cost: 37, 41% to your HP, Meso Costs: 25.37%, 33.63% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
10 -- MP Cost: 37, 40% to your HP, Meso Costs: 24.60%, 35.40% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
Now if only Nexon fixed the 4 year old faulty Meso Guard description... lol...
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Kimihan - 2011-01-12
Devil Wrote:New Meso Guard table (post BB):
Chief Bandit:
Meso Guard lvl:
01 -- MP Cost: 22, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 39.5%, 10.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 126 sec
02 -- MP Cost: 25, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 38.5%, 11.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 132 sec
03 -- MP Cost: 25, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 37.5%, 12.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 138 sec
04 -- MP Cost: 28, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 36.5%, 13.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 144 sec
05 -- MP Cost: 28, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 35.5%, 14.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 150 sec
06 -- MP Cost: 31, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 34.5%, 15.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 156 sec
07 -- MP Cost: 31, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 33.5%, 16.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 162 sec
08 -- MP Cost: 34, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 32.5%, 17.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 168 sec
09 -- MP Cost: 34, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 31.5%, 18.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 174 sec
10 -- MP Cost: 37, 50% to your HP, Meso Costs: 30.5%, 19.50% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
Shadower:
Meso Mastery lvl:
01 -- MP Cost: 37, 49% to your HP, Meso Costs: 30.09%, 20.91% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
02 -- MP Cost: 37, 48% to your HP, Meso Costs: 29.64%, 22.36% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
03 -- MP Cost: 37, 47% to your HP, Meso Costs: 29.15%, 23.85% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
04 -- MP Cost: 37, 46% to your HP, Meso Costs: 28.62%, 25.38% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
05 -- MP Cost: 37, 45% to your HP, Meso Costs: 28.05%, 26.95% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
06 -- MP Cost: 37, 44% to your HP, Meso Costs: 27.44%, 28.56% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
07 -- MP Cost: 37, 43% to your HP, Meso Costs: 26.79%, 30.21% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
08 -- MP Cost: 37, 42% to your HP, Meso Costs: 26.10%, 31.90% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
09 -- MP Cost: 37, 41% to your HP, Meso Costs: 25.37%, 33.63% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
10 -- MP Cost: 37, 40% to your HP, Meso Costs: 24.60%, 35.40% Damage Guarded, Duration: 180 sec
Now if only Nexon fixed the 4 year old faulty Meso Guard description... lol...
So, this means 40% goes on my HP and drains 24.6% meso for it, and null 35% ? oO
Didn't understand the meso cost / damage guard part;
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Devil - 2011-01-12
Kimihan Wrote:So, this means 40% goes on my HP and drains 24.6% meso for it, and null 35% ? oOYeah, what you said is exactly what it does!
Didn't understand the meso cost / damage guard part;
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Kabanaw - 2011-01-12
I think the biggest cost increase to CBs/ Shads post-BB is the need for summoning rocks.
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Kimihan - 2011-01-12
Devil Wrote:Yeah, what you said is exactly what it does!
So, in total :
26% of damage on mesos
35% null
40% on my hp ? hm
100% (not exacly) here. makes sense. I still don't like it ):
Why would thieves lose avoid ? WHY D:
@Kabanal
Rocks wouldn't be a problem, I get the ones I have in my sniper that I used for Hawk.
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Takebacker - 2011-01-12
Kimihan Wrote:So, in total :
26% of damage on mesos
35% null
40% on my hp ? hm
100% (not exacly) here. makes sense. I still don't like it ):
Why would thieves lose avoid ? WHY D:
@Kabanal
Rocks wouldn't be a problem, I get the ones I have in my sniper that I used for Hawk.
Cut damage taken to 40%. 26% of that damage is taken out of mesos. 35% of the damage in this sequence is removed from the situation.
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Kimihan - 2011-01-12
Takebacker Wrote:Cut damage taken to 40%. 26% of that damage is taken out of mesos. 35% of the damage in this sequence is removed from the situation.
Ah, I see
Thanks. I am starting to like it :B
So, it is not that cost-wise anymore, right ? Not counting equips. drops probably are enough to make up of MG, and Pickpocket = ME.
*I just want to make sure I am not running into a mesoburn
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Kabanaw - 2011-01-12
Kimihan Wrote:So, in total :
26% of damage on mesos
35% null
40% on my hp ? hm
100% (not exacly) here. makes sense. I still don't like it ):
Why would thieves lose avoid ? WHY D:
@Kabanal
Rocks wouldn't be a problem, I get the ones I have in my sniper that I used for Hawk.
For most shadowers and CBs, especially those of us that didn't have a character who needed rocks before, it's a decent cost. 100k per 1 hour of training.
Dit-CB-Shad Post-BB question. - Kimihan - 2011-01-13
Kabanaw Wrote:For most shadowers and CBs, especially those of us that didn't have a character who needed rocks before, it's a decent cost. 100k per 1 hour of training.
I don't plan on using rocks until I max SP, or it has atleast a good timer. Already saves me some time. And also, I'm halfway for the Alcaster quest.
But yeah, thanks for the info everyone. ^^ Helped me alot, and I got to 35-38 yesterday, in like, 1-2 hours of training. ^^