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Ancient human remains found in Israel that may revolutionize evolution - Erebus - 2010-12-28

Title is a bit misleading considering the say in the article they aren't sure if this is even human but still it's interesting... (hopefully it doesn't end up like NASA's "new life")

Yahoo Wrote:JERUSALEM –

Israeli archaeologists said Monday they may have found the earliest evidence yet for the existence of modern man, and if so, it could upset theories of the origin of humans.

A Tel Aviv University team excavating a cave in central Israel said teeth found in the cave are about 400,000 years old and resemble those of other remains of modern man, known scientifically as Homo sapiens, found in Israel. The earliest Homo sapiens remains found until now are half as old.

Click image to see photos of the ancient tooth

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"It's very exciting to come to this conclusion," said archaeologist Avi Gopher, whose team examined the teeth with X-rays and CT scans and dated them according to the layers of earth where they were found.

He stressed that further research is needed to solidify the claim. If it does, he says, "this changes the whole picture of evolution."

The accepted scientific theory is that Homo sapiens originated in Africa and migrated out of the continent. Gopher said if the remains are definitively linked to modern human's ancestors, it could mean that modern man in fact originated in what is now Israel.

Sir Paul Mellars, a prehistory expert at Cambridge University, said the study is reputable, and the find is "important" because remains from that critical time period are scarce, but it is premature to say the remains are human.

"Based on the evidence they've cited, it's a very tenuous and frankly rather remote possibility," Mellars said. He said the remains are more likely related to modern man's ancient relatives, the Neanderthals.

According to today's accepted scientific theories, modern humans and Neanderthals stemmed from a common ancestor who lived in Africa about 700,000 years ago. One group of descendants migrated to Europe and developed into Neanderthals, later becoming extinct. Another group stayed in Africa and evolved into Homo sapiens — modern humans.


Teeth are often unreliable indicators of origin, and analyses of skull remains would more definitively identify the species found in the Israeli cave, Mellars said.

Gopher, the Israeli archaeologist, said he is confident his team will find skulls and bones as they continue their dig.

The prehistoric Qesem cave was discovered in 2000, and excavations began in 2004. Researchers Gopher, Ran Barkai and Israel Hershkowitz published their study in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.

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Ancient human remains found in Israel that may revolutionize evolution - Gator - 2010-12-28

We're all from Israel? :f6: That's random. Isn't it in Asia or something? If so, we're all Asians? Lots of jokes with that.

Makes me wonder how they find these things. Such as locations, if they were randomly digging, all sorts of/the usual stuff.


Ancient human remains found in Israel that may revolutionize evolution - Rob - 2010-12-28

I don't think this will revolutionize evolution. My guess is that they are Neanderthals.


Ancient human remains found in Israel that may revolutionize evolution - Chewy - 2010-12-28

Gator Wrote:We're all from Israel? :f6: That's random. Isn't it in Asia or something? If so, we're all Asians? Lots of jokes with that.

Makes me wonder how they find these things. Such as locations, if they were randomly digging, all sorts of/the usual stuff.

It's in the Middle East. On the shore of the Mediterranean Sea.


Ancient human remains found in Israel that may revolutionize evolution - -Ghost- - 2010-12-28

-Nevermind, read the post wrong.


Ancient human remains found in Israel that may revolutionize evolution - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2010-12-28

The foundation of human civilization has always been pointed to the Fertile Crescent area.

It really doesn't matter how old mankind really is... even if we had CRO-Magnon, Homo-Sapien, and Neanderthal clans all walking around at the same time by some account now. What matters is new information is available, new theories are present, and our small world just got a bit bigger again.


Ancient human remains found in Israel that may revolutionize evolution - Corn - 2010-12-28

Oh god, here comes the religious people.


Ancient human remains found in Israel that may revolutionize evolution - FrozNlite - 2010-12-29

Someone explain this to me: how can teeth 400,000 years old from Israel disrupt the current accepted theory on the origin of humans that cites a common African ancestor between humans and Neanderthals living in the continent around 700,000 years ago? Assuming I'm reading this correctly, isn't the article stating the point of divergence from the ancestor into the two separate hominid species AT 700,000 years ago, which gives, oh, 300,000 years for the human bearing the teeth found in the cave to migrate out of Africa into Israel?


Ancient human remains found in Israel that may revolutionize evolution - Cancambo - 2010-12-29

FrozNlite Wrote:Someone explain this to me: how can teeth 400,000 years old from Israel disrupt the current accepted theory on the origin of humans that cites a common African ancestor between humans and Neanderthals living in the continent around 700,000 years ago? Assuming I'm reading this correctly, isn't the article stating the point of divergence from the ancestor into the two separate hominid species AT 700,000 years ago, which gives, oh, 300,000 years for the human bearing the teeth found in the cave to migrate out of Africa into Israel?

iirc, the best evidence we have to show that humans migrated out of Africa is somewhere around 200,000 years old. If this tooth may suggest that humans went from Israel to Africa or something like that. Nothing definite, of course, but people love to shake up the science community.