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Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Locked - 2010-12-14

They do stack. Both screenshots were taken from two different perspectives using Soul Arrow and without it on a Diamond Arrow.

With Soul Arrow:
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Without Soul Arrow:

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Not sure if it really does prove anything, just trying to show people.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - JoeTang - 2010-12-14

This just proves that damage is synced. It doesn't prove or disprove attack arrows giving attack.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Locked - 2010-12-14

JoeTang Wrote:This just proves that damage is synced. It doesn't prove or disprove attack arrows giving attack.

It's always been supposedly client sided, why would they change it now? My range with them goes up, without them it goes down. Without them the arrows don't reach peak damage that it would.

Also, reminder:
Locked Wrote:Not sure if it really does prove anything, just trying to show people.


Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - JoeTang - 2010-12-14

Oh. An easy way to test is to have attack arrows on and Inferno a monster that won't get OHKOed. If the DoT is higher than without attack arrows while Soul Arrow is active, they stack should stack.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Chameleonic - 2010-12-14

The damage displayed doesnt always match with the actual damage done, just look at the bugs forum. Lots of people are noticing that currently. I dont think we can know definitively that it does stack.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - TugboatWilly - 2010-12-14

wasn't there already a thread on basil where this was disproved again? :f6:

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Locked - 2010-12-14

JoeTang Wrote:Oh. An easy way to test is to have attack arrows on and Inferno a monster that won't get OHKOed. If the DoT is higher than without attack arrows while Soul Arrow is active, they stack should stack.

Tested this with Lachrymus and both DoT were different. So yeah, disproven.

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twas 8225 without SA.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - JoeTang - 2010-12-14

Locked Wrote:Tested this with Lachrymus and both DoT were different. So yeah, disproven.

sadface.

Life sucks. Enjoy crafting 100 arrows per Wisdom/LUK Crystal.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Random_Overlord - 2010-12-14

Count to think of it, this may very well be one of the only ancient glitches that are still around. It's exsisted way back since 2nd job was created.

But what I REALLY don't get is why Nexon hasn't clued into the fact that they already solved this problem, but havent copy/pasted the coding used for shadow claw into replacing the soul arrow coding.

It shouldn't be that hard to reorganize it either. Copy/paste/ bind coding to the soul arrow skill, and there you have it.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Retalion - 2010-12-14

Random_Overlord Wrote:Count to think of it, this may very well be one of the only ancient glitches that are still around. It's exsisted way back since 2nd job was created.

But what I REALLY don't get is why Nexon hasn't clued into the fact that they already solved this problem, but havent copy/pasted the coding used for shadow claw into replacing the soul arrow coding.

It shouldn't be that hard to reorganize it either. Copy/paste/ bind coding to the soul arrow skill, and there you have it.

The problem is, it might not be a glitch at all. I've argued on both sides of the coin before regarding Shadow Claw vs. Soul Arrow:

Argument FOR: Shadow Claw deals with attack of stars, so why shouldnt soul arrow?

Argument AGAINST: Shadow Claw consumes stars, Soul Arrow doesnt; Shadow Claw wont work without having a set of stars around, Soul Arrow would.

It's debatable whether this is a glitch or not, but the fact of the matter is, arrows have never added attack with soul arrow.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Random_Overlord - 2010-12-14

Retalion Wrote:The problem is, it might not be a glitch at all. I've argued on both sides of the coin before regarding Shadow Claw vs. Soul Arrow:

Argument FOR: Shadow Claw deals with attack of stars, so why shouldnt soul arrow?

Argument AGAINST: Shadow Claw consumes stars, Soul Arrow doesnt; Shadow Claw wont work without having a set of stars around, Soul Arrow would.

It's debatable whether this is a glitch or not, but the fact of the matter is, arrows have never added attack with soul arrow.

It's because soul arrow is currently a buff that uses 0 att buff arrows over inv arrows.

But with attacks like hurricane, and now with final attack, you run out of a stack of 1000 arrows in less than 62.5 seconds maximum.

So in order to last through a boss battle with att arrows, you'd expect yourself to carry at least 30000 arrows if the boss battle lasts half an hour

Overall, we need more skill changes, specificly for soul arrow to accept w.att arrows as a medium. Otherwise they're just wasting space.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Retalion - 2010-12-14

Random_Overlord Wrote:It's because soul arrow is currently a buff that uses 0 att buff arrows over inv arrows.

But with attacks like hurricane, and now with final attack, you run out of a stack of 1000 arrows in less than 62.5 seconds maximum.

So in order to last through a boss battle with att arrows, you'd expect yourself to carry at least 30000 arrows if the boss battle lasts half an hour

Overall, we need more skill changes, specificly for soul arrow to accept w.att arrows as a medium. Otherwise they're just wasting space.

And this is exactly why people dont carry arrows. Both systems have their pros and cons.

For NLs, I bet they'd love to never have the problem of worrying about running out of stars or having to spend massive amounts on nx to expand their use slots to hold their stars.

Arrows have been a waste of space since the beginning of maple. Havent you ever wondered why they npc for 0 mesos? Im led to believe that we arent meant to carry arrows, and that soul arrow is supposed to suffice/replace that. Then again, there ARE situations where you might bring attack arrows with you (Ex. Pap to finish faster), though the difference is very minimal.

Instead of just taking the pros of their system, look at both the pros and the cons. I mean, no one's stopping you from maxing out your use inventory to hold arrows so you never have to use soul arrow to get the extra attack...

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - ArbalistMaster - 2010-12-14

I wish Soul Arrow would consume an arbitrary amount of arrows and take attack into consideration, but use no arrows when you have regular arrows selected in your inventory (or have none). then you could choose when to use attack arrows and when not to. Soul arrow was designed for second job, when the highest arrow consuming skill was double shot, of course it needs reworking with ultistrafe and hurricane around.

to be fair to NLs, shadow claw should also be able to cast without stars and just give an amount of watk lesser than any star

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Dusk - 2010-12-14

Random_Overlord Wrote:It's because soul arrow is currently a buff that uses 0 att buff arrows over inv arrows.

But with attacks like hurricane, and now with final attack, you run out of a stack of 1000 arrows in less than 62.5 seconds maximum.

So in order to last through a boss battle with att arrows, you'd expect yourself to carry at least 30000 arrows if the boss battle lasts half an hour

Overall, we need more skill changes, specificly for soul arrow to accept w.att arrows as a medium. Otherwise they're just wasting space.

Arrows are 2000 to a slot. Arches would need less arrows than NLs need stars. The only trouble is that arrows can't be recharged in about 5 secs at a potion shop.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Avior - 2010-12-14

Well, i wouln't buy arrows after level 34, cause i got soul arrow, on high level i need those places for scrolls, pots, ETC [ETC TAB LOL].

Thats not HUGE difference.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Random_Overlord - 2010-12-15

Dusk Wrote:Arrows are 2000 to a slot. Arches would need less arrows than NLs need stars. The only trouble is that arrows can't be recharged in about 5 secs at a potion shop.

Red arrows /diamond arrows are 999 or 1000 I think.

Soul Arrow and Attack Arrows. - Retalion - 2010-12-15

Random_Overlord Wrote:Red arrows /diamond arrows are 999 or 1000 I think.

Red Arrows are 800 (I think...cant exactly remember), Diamond Arrows are 2k.

Someone double check on that; I havent used arrows in the longest time.