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Equips post BB. - Adramelech - 2010-10-12
So now that matk works like watk I was looking at H-S.net and noticed that a few mage shoes have MATK making dark neli shoes the best mage shoes post bb if chaos scrolled also flamekeepers are gonna be better then timeless/reverse gloves because they're 8 freakin matk clean.
basicly.... just noticed this and thought I'd mention it O_O. seams abit broken to be honest that we'd be able to easily make a really high matk shoe and glove and that the matk on puacs is higher then the watk on pacs, also earing int gives matk O_o. anyone know if that changes post BB? if these things stay the same then I suggest people start hoarding puacs , earing int 60% and cordons.
Equips post BB. - McAwesomesauce - 2010-10-13
It's not like Mages and weapon based classes use the same damage formula; that's painfully stupid. 1 M.Atk to amage means less to them than 1 W.Atk to say, a Thief since wands and staves naturally have higher M. Atk, so the ratio changes to compensate.
Equips post BB. - Scaeva - 2010-10-13
I noticed this too. I also found out that you can get 5 M.Att earrings for very little money: Just get Silver/Amethyst earrings from Henesys, go to the Kerning Swamp scroll merchant and buy 5 Earring INT(not sure) 100%s. It's really great if you don't have something better to use. I'm not sure if it's going to make any difference, but it's still nice.
Equips post BB. - Kabanaw - 2010-10-13
That would be true, if it weren't for one thing: potential. The highest level mage shoes with MA clean are lapiz sandalls, which are level 70. While you could possibly get a good amount of MA on those shoes, you could get 9% more int on a lvl 80 shoe or higher.
Same thing for the cordon. You can even scroll gloves for more MA, and 9% int>8 MA.
Equips post BB. - CarrionCrow - 2010-10-13
Kabanaw Wrote:That would be true, if it weren't for one thing: potential. The highest level mage shoes with MA clean are lapiz sandalls, which are level 70. While you could possibly get a good amount of MA on those shoes, you could get 9% more int on a lvl 80 shoe or higher.
Same thing for the cordon. You can even scroll gloves for more MA, and 9% int>8 MA.
No, the lvl 90 Neli shoes got 1 m. att average, all four colors of them.
Equips post BB. - Thorr - 2010-10-13
McAwesomesauce Wrote:It's not like Mages and weapon based classes use the same damage formula; that's painfully stupid. 1 M.Atk to amage means less to them than 1 W.Atk to say, a Thief since wands and staves naturally have higher M. Atk, so the ratio changes to compensate.
Absolutely untrue. The thread title clearly states "Post BB". Every class has the same damage formula Post BB.
My calculations tell me that a good rule of thumb for Post BB damage is: It takes a little more than +4 of your primary stat to increase your damage the same as +1 Weapon/Magic Attack.
For a mage, it takes about 21 Int to equal the damage increase of 5 MA.
Equips post BB. - Locked - 2010-10-13
Thorr Wrote:Absolutely untrue. The thread title clearly states "Post BB". Every class has the same damage formula Post BB.
He's right.
Mages and other classes have a different multiplier. 1 Matk would not do as much difference as 1 weatk.
Equips post BB. - Chameleonic - 2010-10-13
After BB Mages damage formula is ... 1.00*(4 * INT + LUK) * (Magic Attack / 100)
Its the same as all other formulas. See here.
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=31480
Equips post BB. - Dusk - 2010-10-13
Kabanaw Wrote:That would be true, if it weren't for one thing: potential. The highest level mage shoes with MA clean are lapiz sandalls, which are level 70. While you could possibly get a good amount of MA on those shoes, you could get 9% more int on a lvl 80 shoe or higher.[IMGspoiler]http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7020/maplestory2010100914510.png[/IMGspoiler]
Same thing for the cordon. You can even scroll gloves for more MA, and 9% int>8 MA.
Thorr Wrote:Absolutely untrue. The thread title clearly states "Post BB". Every class has the same damage formula Post BB.
My calculations tell me that a good rule of thumb for Post BB damage is: It takes a little more than +4 of your primary stat to increase your damage the same as +1 Weapon/Magic Attack.
For a mage, it takes about 21 Int to equal the damage increase of 5 MA.
That varies from person to person. My int:MA ratio is closer to 3.7.
Equips post BB. - Stereo - 2010-10-13
Dusk Wrote:[IMGspoiler]http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7020/maplestory2010100914510.png[/IMGspoiler]
That varies from person to person. My int:MA ratio is closer to 3.7.
That is discounting %int, I suppose, but what about +int? the stat:atk ratio varies a lot depending what you use... eg. my Paladin has (746+123)*1.24 = 1077 str, and 204 atk -> 3.66, 4.26, 5.28 ratios depending whether I use 746, 869, or 1077 str.
Equips post BB. - Kabanaw - 2010-10-13
Dusk Wrote:[IMGspoiler]http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7020/maplestory2010100914510.png[/IMGspoiler]
That varies from person to person. My int:MA ratio is closer to 3.7.
Well, I have been shown who is the boss.
Anyway, the only reason for 1 MA <1 WA post BB is because an average warrior can get about, what, 150 WA, a sin can get about 100, and a mage can get about 250 MA.
Equips post BB. - Dusk - 2010-10-13
Stereo Wrote:That is discounting %int, I suppose, but what about +int? the stat:atk ratio varies a lot depending what you use... eg. my Paladin has (746+123)*1.24 = 1077 str, and 204 atk -> 3.66, 4.26, 5.28 ratios depending whether I use 746, 869, or 1077 str.
Before my 18% int and 3% luk are applied, I have 955 int and 135 luk with MW20, and 257 Magic Attack with Spell Mastery, Magic Mastery, and Meditation.
ratio = (int + (luk/4)) / MA = 3.84. Must've done the math wrong earlier. I have pretty low magic attack, though, since I don't have my EStaff 6 yet, my gloves aren't scrolled and my earrings are unfinished. Well funded mages should be able to get way over 300 MA.
Equips post BB. - Stereo - 2010-10-13
Kabanaw Wrote:Well, I have been shown who is the boss.
Anyway, the only reason for 1 MA <1 WA post BB is because an average warrior can get about, what, 150 WA, a sin can get about 100, and a mage can get about 250 MA.
I'd guess average is a little higher than that on warrior/sin, anyway. (current stats for me: 204 paladin, 145 NL, 163 DrK - all using 12 atk pots) My DrK and NL have unpotentialed weapons though, I'd expect a decent (can afford >5 cubes) weapon would be +15-20 onto those two.
Mages are probably 20-30% higher in MA than other chars in PA though.
Equips post BB. - 66alex66 - 2010-10-14
The damage multiplier for mages is 1 thus a crapton of matk doesn't give as much as the same amount of watk for a sin which have 1.75 damage multiplier for claws.
Equips post BB. - Atruya - 2010-10-22
You could chaos scroll thé most EPIC equip in the game, the White Guiltian.
Equips post BB. - Shidoshi - 2010-10-22
Atruya Wrote:You could chaos scroll thé most EPIC equip in the game, the White Guiltian.
Potentially a 37 matk hat <3