Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack

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Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Link - 2010-06-23

What attack Red Katana will I need to out-DPS a 102 attack Devil's Sunrise?

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - JoeTang - 2010-06-23

If this is for KMST, good luck because we don't know the weapon formulas. Either way, we need to know all your stats and not just "how much x is better than y?"

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Link - 2010-06-23

JoeTang Wrote:If this is for KMST, good luck because we don't know the weapon formulas. Either way, we need to know all your stats and not just "how much x is better than y?"

Yeah, it's KMSt. Lol.

I thought you guys could calculate weapon speed vs weapon attack on certain weapons, such as swords, without knowing gear and stuff.

Um...

The best I have LOL

The other equips are :

2/2/2/2 Muey Thai headband
1/1/1/1 Gaga Glasses
1/1/1/1 Medal
3 STR 2 Weapon Attack Level 60 Gloves
4 DEX 8 STR earrings
2 STR 3 DEX shoes
3% DEX Cape

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - JoeTang - 2010-06-23

Take off all your gear except the sword and screenshot again. And do the same with a 1H Sword.

What are the stats on the sword? Any str or is it just 101 attack?

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Link - 2010-06-23

It's just 102 attack.

Would a Maple Sword work with the one-handed sword part? I haven't made the Red Katana yet. xP

Two-Handed

(Maple Sword is 47 weapon attack)

One-handed

Oh, yeah!! I completely forgot! There's also +16 weapon attack from my pets, so make sure you include those when calculating.

Edit : Oh... My mistake >_> The sword is 102 weapon attack, not 101. Silly me.

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - JoeTang - 2010-06-23

Sorry, I needed one with the gear and the 1H sword at the same time too. Give me a second to check these numbers.

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Link - 2010-06-23

JoeTang Wrote:Sorry, I needed one with the gear and the 1H sword at the same time too. Give me a second to check these numbers.

Here ya go :

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Make sure you read the edits I made to the previous post as well. They're a bit important. lol

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Cyanne - 2010-06-23

For your first question, regardless of the damage formula, it depends on your total attack which weapon is better, not the individual attacks of the weapons. For example, you had 1 billion attack, the katana is obviously better, but if you had 0 attack without your weapon on and the devil's sunrise had 20 attack more than the katana, then the devil's sunrise would obviously better, in terms of damage rate on 2.1bil hp snail of course. In reality, if you can consistently kill a target monster in x number of hits with both weapons, the faster one would be better, but if using the slower one increases your consistency significantly, then that would be better.

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Dusk - 2010-06-23

My best guess for formulas based on only three screenshots:

2h sword:
MAX = 1.28*(4 STR + DEX) * (Weapon Attack/100)
MIN = (0.20 + mastery %) * MAX

1h sword:
MAX = 1.20*(4 STR + DEX) * (Weapon Attack/100)
MIN = (0.20 + mastery %) * MAX

Edit: Dammit, Shikage, just add up your weapon attack numbers. It's hard to keep track of what they are when half of the information is in the screenshots and half of it is in a footnote in your post.

132 attack in the first screenshot, 130 in the second, 77 in the third?

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Link - 2010-06-23

Dusk Wrote:2h sword:
MAX = 1.28*(4 STR + DEX) * (Weapon Attack/100)?
MIN = (0.20 + mastery % * MAX?

Edit: Dammit, Shikage, just add up your weapon attack numbers. It's hard to keep track of what they are when half of the information is in the screenshots and half of it is in a footnote in your post.

132 attack in the first screenshot, 130 in the second, 77 in the third?

With the 102 attack sword, I have 132 total weapon attack. With the 47 attack Maple Sword, I have 77 total weapon attack. (this is with all of my gear equipped)

O_o

The reason why the 2nd one was 130 was because 2 weapon attack that was subtracted came off when I took off my glove (yeah, it's a pretty sh'itty glove. =/).

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Dusk - 2010-06-23

ShiKage Wrote:With the 102 attack sword, I have 132 total weapon attack. With the 47 attack Maple Sword, I have 77 total weapon attack. (this is with all of my gear equipped)

O_o

Alright then, formulas check out.

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - JoeTang - 2010-06-23

Get a screen shot of just the swords and the +3% dex cape.

Otherwise, we're seeing 2H swords be about 1.06x stronger. We're looking towards a 95ish attack Red Katana while you're using Rage I believe.

Some relevant information:
Devil's Sunrise:
Expected Rage Range: 2467~3524
Average Brandish Damage: 17134

95WA Red Katana
Expected Rage Range: 2205~3150
Average Brandish Damage: 15315

To match damage per hit, and not just DPS, you need a 113 RK.

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Link - 2010-06-23

JoeTang Wrote:Get a screen shot of just the swords and the +3% dex cape.

Otherwise, we're seeing 2H swords be about 1.06x stronger. We're looking towards a 95ish attack Red Katana while you're using Rage I believe.

Dang... 95. The Red Katana I made with Maker turned out 3 attack below average (wtp?). =/

Two-Handed Sword

One-Handed Sword

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Link - 2010-06-23

Double post, but one more question :

What if I have an 89 attack Red Katana that also has a +4% Total Damage bonus?

Spoiler

Or does that still not even come close? =/

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Stereo - 2010-06-23

Easiest way to check that is to multiply your total w.atk by 1.04. Then subtract off the rest of your gear again.

If the Katana ends up with at least 95 atk remaining it's better. With 89 atk alone it isn't.

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Link - 2010-06-23

I have no idea how it works with the +4% total damage, though. O_o Also, it's 91 weapon attack now (yellow potential scroll). Should I keep trying? =/

Quick Question About Weapon Speed And Attack - Pride - 2010-06-24

It's only a 30% chance to blow your weapon into bits Tongue