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Competitive Team Rating thread - Khoi - 2010-03-20

Post your teams, let others rate it in terms of effectiveness. I recently started Shoddy again, and of course, this team is something completely made up due to 3rd gen knowledge and preferences. Not using this in the UU-metagame though, just messing around.

Quote:Nigger (Scyther) (M) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Reversal
- Endure
- Swords Dance
- Silver Wind
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Weeaboo (Regirock) @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 128 HP/252 Atk/36 Def/94 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Superpower
- Stone Edge
- Explosion
- Earthquake
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Homosexual (Metagross) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Zen Headbutt
- Meteor Mash
- Explosion
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Fat Bastard (Snorlax) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP/58 Def/200 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
- Body Slam
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Bawls (Suicune) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/110 Def/148 Spd
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Roar
- Rest
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Dragyrohn (Dragonite) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 SAtk
Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Draco Meteor
- Ice Beam
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Yeah, I know, no Stealth Rock counter. Not fully used to 4th gen meta yet, still learning. This sh't worked in 3rd gen pretty well, well.. most of it. My team's mostly offensive. Against an OU team, result?

 Spoiler

Not bad at all. I only had 2 Pokemon that died, I think..

Competitive Team Rating thread - Scaeva - 2010-03-20

It's pretty good, especially since you're not used to the 4th gen metagame yet.

My current UU team, still have to test it though:

Quote:Absol (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spd
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Counter
- Pursuit
- Taunt
- Sucker Punch
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Blaziken (M) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 192 Atk/64 Spd/252 SAtk
Rash nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Agility
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Superpower
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Claydol @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/144 Def/114 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
- Earth Power
- Shadow Ball
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Milotic (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/10 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Recover
- Toxic
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Mismagius (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Destiny Bond
- Energy Ball
- Power Gem
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Venusaur (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Sludge Bomb
- Leech Seed
- Energy Ball
- Sleep Powder
---

I kind of messed around with Mismagius because I can't acces it's Smogon page and I can't find a cache link anywhere. The Blaziken is shiny because of the awesome colors shiny Blaziken have. I put the EVs in a way that most of the HP of my Pokémon isn't divisible by 4, which means that damage from status attacks and such is rounded down. Should get them some nicknames.

EDIT: This is a usefull tool while making a team. It saves a lot of time figuring out your weaknesses.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Khoi - 2010-03-20

Thanks for the tool, I'll be sure to make good use of it eventually! I need to practice with my current UU team, it's based heavily on certain factors, but I think it'll work well in the UU metagame. I'll be on Reid Hershel all day on Smogon if you wanna battle, lemme know!

Competitive Team Rating thread - Corn - 2010-03-20

I think Smogon would be better at judging teams, lol. And Khoi, while you do not need a Stealth Rock counter, you need a Stealth Rocker. Definitely.

Plus your'e screwed if a Salamence or Gyarados or a Lucario or an Infernape manages to DD or SD or NP up on you (and that's going to be easy, as they can do it against all of your team). Suicune is your only defense, and it can't last long. I'd recommend putting a choice scarf Flygon with 80 def EVs to act as a revenge killer against all of them. An Adamant nature would work. Stealth Rocks would help against the Salamence and Gyarados.

@HurrycaneX. (I'm noob with UU, so please bear with me). Looks pretty good. I'm not sure how well your lead works, though. Also, what purpose is your Mismagius?

I'd highly recommend putting some power-up move on 1-3 of your Pokemon, like Nasty Plot on Mismagius and Swords Dance on Venusaur.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Khoi - 2010-03-20

I have more than '1' Stealth Rocker in my UU team. My original OU team was based off of only 3rd gen crap, which was why I didn't have a Stealth Rocker in there. Hmm. I wanted to do SkarmBliss, but that's obsolete by now. I'll fix my OU eventually when I have time. Actually, my Snorlax is my 'tank' if his Curses gets past +1 or 2, but before Curses, he's technically my Special-Wall. He works pretty well.

Edit ; I don't mind non-Smogon forum-people rating, to be honest. I rated other people's teams based on what I thought in another forum. Technically, there's no such thing a right or wrong moveset, just one based off of another's preferences as well as a 'more effective' moveset, depending on the circumstances. Smogon doesn't list a Mirror Coating Milotic as part of the UU metagame, but I've seen people using it. I even use it on my own. -shrugs- High SpeDef + decent HP + Mirror Coat + ability to predict Spe Att + Super Effective = Guaranteed KO leaving Milotic with around 3x-4x% HP left. I've tested this in 3rd gen against a Zapdos with thunder and another with t-bolt, Milo usually survives unless the Zapdos had MAD SpeAtt EVs combined with Modest nature.

Snorlax with Curse that Sleep-Talks Body Slams are pretty annoying too, you'd be surprised. For a tank, it's extremely reliable near the middle portion of a battle.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Scaeva - 2010-03-20

ClawofBeta Wrote:I think Smogon would be better at judging teams, lol. And Khoi, while you do not need a Stealth Rock counter, you need a Stealth Rocker. Definitely.

Plus your'e screwed if a Salamence or Gyarados or a Lucario or an Infernape manages to DD or SD or NP up on you (and that's going to be easy, as they can do it against all of your team). Suicune is your only defense, and it can't last long. I'd recommend putting a choice scarf Flygon with 80 def EVs to act as a revenge killer against all of them. An Adamant nature would work. Stealth Rocks would help against the Salamence and Gyarados.

@HurrycaneX. (I'm noob with UU, so please bear with me). Looks pretty good. I'm not sure how well your lead works, though. Also, what purpose is your Mismagius?

I'd highly recommend putting some power-up move on 1-3 of your Pokemon, like Nasty Plot on Mismagius and Swords Dance on Venusaur.

I haven't had the chance to test my team yet due to Shoddy freezing as soon as I open a battle screen (both when battling and watching). Don't know whats causing it, but it sure is annoying.

The main purpose of Absol is Taunting against Stealth Rock and Countering hits of people that want to get rid of it ASAP. Mismagius is mainly a rapid spin blocker/special sweeper/revenge killer, but since I can't visit it's Smogon page I don't know if the set is any good. Venusaur is mainly for support and defense(and it uses special attacks), but I might consider Nasty Plot on Mismagius, if I can get it to last long enough. Should change around a few things for more physical power though, only Absol and Blaziken have that to some extend. I originally had a Swellow but that left me with low defenses. Making teams is hard if you haven't done it in more than a year. Any suggestions?

Competitive Team Rating thread - Khoi - 2010-03-20

Yeah, I noticed that since it's been forever since I played 3rd gen, playing 4th is strange for me. I can predict some things, but not everything. I can't spam F-punch as much as I'd like to either. Absol's standard set used to be: SD, Taunt, Aerial Ace/HP Ghost/Pursuit, Slash. I don't know what it is nowadays though.

Other UUs that you should abuse are stuff like, Enduriken (Endure, Overheat/F-blast, Reversal, HP Ice/grass). Then there's F-punchken (Sub, F-punch, Endure/F-blast/OverHeat, Reversal/HP Ice/Grass)

Only put Endure and Reversal together, don't mix. This set seems strange, because you can't hit ghosts, but it did fairly well in 3rd gen, sub + endure sorta taunts your opponent into attacking you constantly. Adding Salac for speed is nice, and you don't have to max your SPD EVs, just need enough to counter most standard UUs. LOLBEWAREOFALTARIAs.

Problem with F-Punch and Reversal is that Reversal is sorta dependent on high speed, where as F-punch is reversed. Which is why it's extremely hard to spread EVs for that set. Blaziken was OU before Infernape took over, whatever Blaziken can do, Infernape can do better. Hitmonlee's a great UU sub-counter too, set it up with Choice Band or without CB, and as long as you have Double-Kick, you're ensured to break most Subs. Hitmonlee was even used in 3rd gen metagame (with CB), and just 2 Double-Kicks has a great chance of killing Ttar WHILE breaking it's Sub. Hitmonlee is not to be under-estimated either..

Competitive Team Rating thread - Corn - 2010-03-20

HurrycaneX Wrote:I haven't had the chance to test my team yet due to Shoddy freezing as soon as I open a battle screen (both when battling and watching). Don't know whats causing it, but it sure is annoying.

The main purpose of Absol is Taunting against Stealth Rock and Countering hits of people that want to get rid of it ASAP. Mismagius is mainly a rapid spin blocker/special sweeper/revenge killer, but since I can't visit it's Smogon page I don't know if the set is any good. Venusaur is mainly for support and defense(and it uses special attacks), but I might consider Nasty Plot on Mismagius, if I can get it to last long enough. Should change around a few things for more physical power though, only Absol and Blaziken have that to some extend. I originally had a Swellow but that left me with low defenses. Making teams is hard if you haven't done it in more than a year. Any suggestions?

There is no point of using Mismaggy as a rapid spin blocker if you already have Claydol doing the job. And if you want it as a Special Sweeper, you NEED it to have Nasty Plot or Calm Mind. Just use it on a Pokemon it threatens, and as they switch, use Nasty Plot.

You don't really have enough good sweepers. Blaziken is your only one. I'm hoping you use it as a late game Pokemon, as if it dies early on, you're screwed.

And get rid of Sludge Bomb on Venusaur. There is no point of it being there since Poison is a horrible attacking type. Replace it with Block or some other move. Get rid of Power Gem on Mismaggy, too, and replace it with Hidden Power Electric or Fighting. Hell, if you only have Hidden Power Fighting and Shadow Ball on your Missmaggy, you already hit 100% of the metagame for at least neutral damage.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Khoi - 2010-03-20

With my current UU team, I lost to quite a bit of OU teams. I played against some other OU teams and manage to win with 2-3 Pokemon left in some cases. I normally save Altaria for last. I usually edit or change my Pokemon after a couple matches to figure out my flaws, and it's a good way to get better at the metagame.

Quote:FAT BASTARD (Hariyama) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk/124 Def/8 Spd/124 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Payback
- Ice Punch
- Stone Edge
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Altaria (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 74 HP/252 Atk/184 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Roost
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Articuno @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/8 Spd/114 SAtk/136 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Roar
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Ice Beam
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Your mother (Claydol) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/178 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Reflect
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Spermwhale (Milotic) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP/50 Def/8 Spd/200 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Ice Beam
- Refresh
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LOLbeaner (Ludicolo) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Rain Dish
EVs: 252 HP/40 Def/218 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Rain Dance
- Leech Seed
- Toxic
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Competitive Team Rating thread - Corn - 2010-03-20

You have a bad lead. Leads should

-kill other leads
-prevent other leads from setting up
-set up
-give you an advantage

Hariyama does none of the above. It's too slow, it has no priority moves, it can't set up, and it can't block other opponents from setting up. Your opponent just sucked.

There probably are other flaws, but you really shouldn't use an UU team versus OU teams.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Khoi - 2010-03-20

Thing about metagame is that you have to be able to predict, it wasn't meant to be a lead. Often-on, I switch back and forth as soon as the battle starts. The only time I get butt-raped is when I notice that I'm trapped (aka Dugtrio ;~Wink or anything with MeanLook2BatonPass. I don't think it's a terrible lead in UU-metagame, because with CB and maxed att EVs, it has over 500 Att and can pretty much wipe out an entire team. Problem here is that I'm only limited to using 1 attack, which is why I switch often.

Edit ; To clarify a bit, I rarely had a Spiker in 3rd gen metagame. I did use a Rapid Spinner though (Armaldo♥Wink. 4th gen relies heavily on setting-up Stealth Rock, more so than 3rd gen did with Spikes, imo. From all of the battles I've been in. Most people will try to do that as soon as a battle starts. I might switch Choice Band for Life Orb on my Hariyama though, still deciding on that. Not sure if this still works, but I could set up Claydol first as a lead for Reflect+Stealth Rock. Problem here is, if I can't set it up right and end up getting KO'd. I lost:

1) A rapid spinner
2) Shield
3) Stealth Rocker

>_>

Edit2 ; Actually, gonna change my team eventually and use several other Pokemon. Ludicolo works well to annoy people, but it's too predictable and it's stats aren't great.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Scaeva - 2010-03-21

Ok, I changed a few things in my team and I think it's better now. Still didn't get to test it yet though(I really hate my computer for freezing every single time, and I don't know what the problem is).

Quote:Absol (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Super Luck
EVs: 252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Superpower
- Psycho Cut
- Pursuit
- Night Slash
---
Blaziken (M) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 192 Atk/64 Spd/252 SAtk
Rash nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Agility
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Superpower
---
Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 52 HP/252 Atk/204 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Assurance
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
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Milotic (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/10 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Recover
- Toxic
---
Mismagius (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Nasty Plot
- Substitute
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
---
Venusaur (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Energy Ball
- Sleep Powder
- Roar
---

Choice Scarf Absol kills stuff(Pursuit for obvious switches). Basically a hit and run Pokémon. I'm going to check on other common leads/UU(or NU) Pokémon to see what it can and cannot kill.
Blaziken is a mixed sweeper, not much to say here.
Donphan replaces Claydol(gets rid of some weaknesses) but does the same thing, except with more attack power and physical.
Milotic is the standard set, mainly there to tank stuff(works great with Venusaur too).
Mismagius changed to a good special sweeper with Substitute to set up.
Venusaur now has Roar instead of Sludge Bomb to PHaze and abuse Stealth Rock damage.

I still have some other variants saved in a box, so I can make a different team with the same Pokémon. I should get an annoyer too, but I don't know what Pokémon could do that (won't use Ludicolo).

Competitive Team Rating thread - TøbiasBlack - 2010-03-21

i have yet to try this team out, but i worked with what i knew, more or less, and what was within the UU/NU/NFE guidelines.

' Wrote:Destitution (Froslass) (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 6 Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Destiny Bond
- Shadow Ball
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McCain (Drapion) (M) @ Scope Lens
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 254 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Cross Poison
- Giga Impact
- Night Slash
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Kentucky (Kecleon) (M) @ Chople Berry
Ability: Color Change
EVs: 16 HP/254 Atk/240 Spd
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Psybeam
- Brick Break
- Fire Punch
- Magic Coat
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Shel (Cherrim) (F) @ Heat Rock
Ability: Flower Gift
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Sunny Day
- Grasswhistle
- Solarbeam
- Secret Power
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Roxanne (Gardevoir) (F) @ Light Clay
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP/30 Spd/52 SAtk/176 SDef
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Psychic
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Watersports (Lanturn) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Illuminate
EVs: 110 HP/250 Spd/150 SAtk
Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Confuse Ray
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Double Team
---

choosing names was the hard part. Lanturn and Drapion were easy enough, Cherrim is based off of a friend of mine in japan that i still kinda have a childish crush on (even after we'd both graduated high school and are now both, more or less, in college an on our own; thank god for the internet), and the rest were just loose relations.

not sure how this team will stand though.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Khoi - 2010-03-21

DT is normally shunned in metagame, but if you have to use it to win, go for it. Also, you don't have a Rapid Spinner. Not necessary, but if you get caught with Stealth Rock combined with Toxic Spikes, it gets deadly.

Currently testing:

Bowser (Rhyperior) (M) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Lightningrod Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP/62 Atk/196 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Focus Punch

Yeah, Rock Polish + F-punch = LOLwtpAREYOUTHINKING. That's part of 'my game'. F-punch when I'm predicting a switch, it's working pretty well so far. You'd be amazed what people switch in as soon as they see this.. I usually tap F-punch for fun, and it'll usually OHKO something, lolol. With +2 Speed levels due to Rock Polish, I start switching and relying heavily on Stone Edge and EQ. Basically, he goes from slow to fast. Slow for predicted switches, and fast for sweep. I like it so far, it's unpredictable, because as soon as I send Rhyperior out, people will Taunt at me, thinking I'm about to either:

a) Swords Dance
b) Rock Polish
c) Sub

Lum Berry to cure status in case some fcker tries to paralyze or put me to sleep as soon as I send out this big guy right here. STAB'd Stone Edge and EQ is lovely as well. That's right, I named him Bowser. Bowser in Smash is slow for average casual gamers, but a good Bowser is extremely fast. Thus, the name.

PS ; Oops, I need to change that 'ability'.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Dusk - 2010-03-21

^Evasion clause

Double Team's actually banned.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Khoi - 2010-03-21

Oh, forgot about Evasion Clause. Back during NB, they didn't care about it as much in UU's. In OU's, if someone uses DT, they get laughed at, and then butt-raped by Skarm with Aerial Ace.

Competitive Team Rating thread - mrcowcow - 2010-03-23

Quote:Scyther (M) @ Salac Berry/Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/ Rest of the 6 points =?
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor
---

Hey guys. I'm a 3rd-gen player, and it's the only generation I've ever played. I plan on getting SS soon since my best friend's getting HG, so I'm trying to construct a team around stuff that can be obtained easily in the DS games, not stuff like Rotom that are event Pokemon and stuff. I chose not to go to Smogon since that forum... kinda confuses me.

So anyways, this is all I have so far for what I feel like getting.
Scyther is there as a nice sweeper. People don't generally expect a Scyther. A lot of friends that I've played that have seen my 3rd Gen team scoff at Scyther, saying that it sucks crap and that Scizor's infinitely better. Well since Scyther's arsenal got much more dangerous in 4th Gen, I thought about keeping it on my team. It looks quite nice. However, what's the deal with Scizor? It seems to sacrifice quite a lot of speed for some more attack and defense. Does Scyther still function well as a sweeper?

Dunno. All I know really is that I want a Scyther as of now. Any suggestions as to what I should add on? :X

Competitive Team Rating thread - Corn - 2010-03-23

Scyther is only good in UU. Scizor completely outshines it in OU, and even Ubers. Scizor has Bullet Punch, which is a priority move, which negates its speed. Add Technician, a godly attack stat, and Swords Dance/Choice Band, and you have a monster.

Competitive Team Rating thread - mrcowcow - 2010-03-23

I see. Bullet Punch is a 4th Gen thing, I'm sure, so I'll have to look more into that. So Scizor doesn't really need to depend on speed stats due to priority moves, I guess. I don't understand Choicing. Can you explain how those things work, and if there are any drawbacks to it? I've been told those things are outright godly, but something tells me they aren't all that.

Bleh, seems like the Smogon dex is down.

Competitive Team Rating thread - Corn - 2010-03-23

You get 50% in speed, attack, or special attack, depending on the choice item, but you are "locked" into the first move you use. You can only switch moves if you recall your Pokemon and send them out again.