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English Verb Origins? - Hazzy - 2010-02-14

I don't know of any languages that use verb infinitives like English does: to run, to have, to read, topost. From what I remember, Japanese, Mandarin, French, Italian, Russian, German, Spanish, Latin, and Greek all have one word verbs. But such verbs in English are rare. Can you think of any? "Can" comes to mind....
English also conjugates verbs differently. All the examples I can think of have two forms, except for to be with three: I run, You run, He runs, we run, they run. Compared to romantic language's conjugational endings.
Where did this come from? Is it something magical that English made up while being isolated on it's island, or is there a family of languages somewhere that uses verbs like English does?

@"is": http://www.scientificpsychic.com/grammar/to_be.html


English Verb Origins? - Link - 2010-02-14

I don't think you attach anything to "is."


English Verb Origins? - Providence - 2010-02-14

French verbs in their intransitive form (unattached to an object) are considered to be prefaced by "to".


English Verb Origins? - Hazzy - 2010-02-14

From my limited knowledge of French, "to"less infinitives are common.
I like to study.
J'aime etudier.

"J'aime a etudier." isn't right in French (right?), but it's what English does. Where did that use come from?


English Verb Origins? - Providence - 2010-02-14

Hazzy Wrote:From my limited knowledge of French, "to"less infinitives are common.
I like to study.
J'aime etudier.

"J'aime a etudier." isn't right in French (right?), but it's what English does. Where did that use come from?
The "to" is considered a part of the word, as far as I remember. In etudier, the "er" is the same as "to"; when conjugated, the "to" is lost.

EDIT: I wasn't reading the question correctly. I think it's either Old English or Germanic...


English Verb Origins? - Fiel - 2010-02-14

English is heavily Germanic in origin, so I'd start there. Also, the origin of words is called etymology, and the origin of languages is called glottogony.

Using the English "to" in other languages isn't common, but it is part of the rules with some parts of speech. Consider the Spanish present progressive tense:

I am going to study.
Voy a estudiar.

Or, you can use the passive voice:

In order to study well, it's important to have complete silence
Para estudiar bien, es importante que tener silencio total


English Verb Origins? - FrozNlite - 2010-02-14

I skimmed the thread, but all I wanted to say is that English is a romance language whose common ancestor is Latin. So perhaps starting there would be a good idea.


English Verb Origins? - Fiel - 2010-02-14

FrozNlite Wrote:English is a romance language whose common ancestor is Latin.

I raged.

English is not a romance language. It's a Germanic language that had influences from Latin. Find me one authoritative source that states that English is definitively a Romance language and I will send you $5. I mean it. Five bucks is yours.


English Verb Origins? - Link - 2010-02-14

Well...

ORIGINALLY~

England was settled by GERMANS and then the Romans came in and took over and gave them road systems, gave them much of their culture and governing systems, etc. Then they ditched and left the Anglo-Saxans with Roman/Latin influences. So, OLD English is much of a German and Latin mix. (That's a little bit of what I learned in my English class...)


Edit : Here's Wikipedia's information (which is very much right).

 Wikipedia



English Verb Origins? - FrozNlite - 2010-02-14

Fiel Wrote:I raged.

English is not a romance language. It's a Germanic language that had influences from Latin. Find me one authoritative source that states that English is definitively a Romance language and I will send you $5. I mean it. Five bucks is yours.

Ah my apologies! I was shown this picture in my Spanish class and must have confused which branch English is located. Though that's no excuse since I'm an English major, but meh, I was never officially taught the origins of the language (yet). Keep your money and don't rage too hard; there are worse mistakes to flip out over ;D.


English Verb Origins? - Devil - 2010-02-14

Hazzy Wrote:I don't know of any languages that use verb infinitives like English does: to run, to have, to read, topost.

Where did this come from? Is it something magical that English made up while being isolated on it's island, or is there a family of languages somewhere that uses verbs like English does?
Well, translated into Dutch and German you would get:

to run > te rennen > zu laufen
to have > te hebben > zu haben
to read > te lezen > zu lesen
to post > te posten > zu schicken

Image of all Germanic dialect groups:
 Spoiler



English Verb Origins? - Russt - 2010-02-15

Fiel Wrote:I am going to study.
Voy a estudiar.

That's not quite the same, though, because "voy a" + infinitive is a language construct. The infinitive itself is just "estudiar" and not "a estudiar" (compare "tener que estudiar").

Whereas the infinite in English is "to study" or "to read" or "to run" and not the root word itself.

Another point is that we use the gerund ("studying" "running") rather than the infinitive a lot.


English Verb Origins? - Nikkey - 2010-02-15

Hazzy Wrote:I don't know of any languages that use verb infinitives like English does: to run, to have, to read, topost.

Norwegian:
å løpe, å ha, å lese, å poste
(or)
å springje, å ha, å lese, å sende

Swedish and Danish have the same.


English Verb Origins? - Kabanaw - 2010-02-15

Well, words like can, need, want, etc are called modals in german. They replace the regular verb in the sentence, and move that verd to the end in its infinitive form.

For example:
I study
Ich lerne

I need to study

Ich muss lernen

when you use an infinitive without a modal, you use zu, which means to.

Example:
He goes to the park to run.

Er gehe zu dem Park zu laufen.

As others have said, English is a germanic language so it has a lot more in common with German than the romantic languages.


English Verb Origins? - English - 2010-02-17

I always thought English was romantic. :/