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Aran VS Heroes - King - 2009-12-27
So in every aspect of the game...which is the best Melee class?
I'm mostly looking for people who have played both Arans and Heroes to make a unbiased comparison
Aran VS Heroes - Sivrat - 2009-12-27
King Wrote:So in every aspect of the game...which is the best Melee class? Not just the best DPS since corsairs are obviously the DPS king
I'm mostly looking for people who have played both Arans and Heroes to make a unbiased comparison
So you want people who have played 2 classes to choose which is best, but remain unbiased? Not really sure that is possible. You'd be getting their opinions of which they thought were better(which may be impacted by what weapons they had available or skillbooks or anything like that) or you'd be getting opinions on which they liked more(which may not be the same as for anyone else). The few "facts" you'd get would be how quickly they'd take down bosses or something, which would depend on control and equips for a lot of it, level and memory for the rest.
Also, if you arent looking for "who's the better DPS" to be answered, what do you mean by "best melee class"?
Aran VS Heroes - King - 2009-12-27
Sivrat Wrote:So you want people who have played 2 classes to choose which is best, but remain unbiased? Not really sure that is possible. You'd be getting their opinions of which they thought were better(which may be impacted by what weapons they had available or skillbooks or anything like that) or you'd be getting opinions on which they liked more(which may not be the same as for anyone else). The few "facts" you'd get would be how quickly they'd take down bosses or something, which would depend on control and equips for a lot of it, level and memory for the rest.
Also, if you arent looking for "who's the better DPS" to be answered, what do you mean by "best melee class"?
I think only the people who have played both of these classes can give unbiased comparison because after all...they played them both...
If they only played one of them, then they would obviously be biased for their own class
And I guess I should make my question clear...by best melee class I mean actually meant who has the best dps of these 2 classes with equal funding during mid 4th job (14x-16x), which is more wanted in boss fight (zruns and htruns), and which is easier to play and better in general
Aran VS Heroes - Hazzy - 2009-12-27
Unbiased means there is no personal experience to corrupt their judgment... but you want their experience to help you?
"Best" is a horrible word. Heroes will do better than Aran in less mobby maps because they don't depend on any combo system and can only hit 3 mobs at once. Aran will do better in mobby maps because of their mobbing skills: Smash, Fenrir, and the fact that Triple/Double/ Normal swing hits 12 mobs in 4th job.
There are scenarios where Heroes are better equiped than Aran, and vise versa.
There is no class that is better at everything.
Aran VS Heroes - Devil - 2009-12-27
Just a little unbiased note:
Arans (with 100+ Combo, SE and Onyx Apple) do more DPS then Corsairs (with SE and Onyx Apple on bosses)... just so you know...
Aran VS Heroes - KatanaKiwi - 2009-12-27
that is only theoreticaly if there are no mobs flying into your attacks (unlike zakum) and when hitting only 1 boss part..
either way, ill try to write down co's and prons later (read tomorrow, im about to go to bed). i have a lvl 200 hero and im now working on an aran as my main.. either way i'd suggest training an aran to lvl 70, if you dont like it you can always quit it and transfer the ring to your hero, aswell as the equips you use on your aran. the thing about aran is, they have potential but not many ppl like playing them, though if you truely hate playing an aran you'll probiably not like playing a hero either.
either way, from experiences thusfar at both bosses and training im still convinced aran and hero's can exist perfectly well next to eachother, ill explain later
Aran VS Heroes - Kalovale - 2009-12-28
KatanaKiwi Wrote:that is only theoreticaly if there are no mobs flying into your attacks (unlike zakum) and when hitting only 1 boss part..
Which is true for most bosses. We have Bishops who multitask to take care of those obnoxious mobs in Zak, HT as well as PB.
Aran VS Heroes - Chameleonic - 2009-12-28
KatanaKiwi Wrote:that is only theoreticaly if there are no mobs flying into your attacks (unlike zakum) and when hitting only 1 boss part..
either way, ill try to write down co's and prons later (read tomorrow, im about to go to bed). i have a lvl 200 hero and im now working on an aran as my main.. either way i'd suggest training an aran to lvl 70, if you dont like it you can always quit it and transfer the ring to your hero, aswell as the equips you use on your aran. the thing about aran is, they have potential but not many ppl like playing them, though if you truely hate playing an aran you'll probiably not like playing a hero either.
either way, from experiences thusfar at both bosses and training im still convinced aran and hero's can exist perfectly well next to eachother, ill explain later
I dont know why people wouldnt like playing an Aran. They are the easiest class and fastest leveling class Ive played. I got my Aran to lv 70 in 15 days soloing without using 2x...which is unprecedentedly fast for me(its only my 3rd lv 70+ char lol).
Aran VS Heroes - Dusk - 2009-12-28
Devil Wrote:Just a little unbiased note:
Arans (with 100+ Combo, SE and Onyx Apple) do more DPS then Corsairs (with SE and Onyx Apple on bosses)... just so you know...
They're not even close to NLs, much less Sairs.
Heroes are still better at what they were best at before: tanking a pineappleton of damage, best DPS on 2-3 mobs (like in CWKPQ), above average 1v1 damage, good Rushers, easy as pomegranate to play.
Arans are a good melee DPS alternative. They still fall short of matching the DPS of most ranged classes without being much better equipped, but they've got a decent amount of HP and they have Stance.
Chameleonic Wrote:I dont know why people wouldnt like playing an Aran. They are the easiest class and fastest leveling class Ive played. I got my Aran to lv 70 in 15 days soloing without using 2x...which is unprecedentedly fast for me(its only my 3rd lv 70+ char lol).
That may be but for me Arans are definitely near the bottom of the list in terms of fun. It's a little more exciting to play than my Priest but that's really not saying much and it's a hell of a lot more tiring for my fingers.
Aran VS Heroes - KaidaTan - 2009-12-28
Do we even have the speed for Double and Triple Swing at weapon speeds 2 and 3? I know we have the weird estimates, but what about the actual cast times? If so, I could throw together some numbers real fast.
Aran VS Heroes - Russt - 2009-12-28
KaidaTan Wrote:Do we even have the speed for Double and Triple Swing at weapon speeds 2 and 3? I know we have the weird estimates, but what about the actual cast times? If so, I could throw together some numbers real fast.
I could test this the old fashioned way.
Actually, I'm pretty sure half of SP's active members could test it the old fashioned way.
Aran VS Heroes - Magatia - 2009-12-28
I do 45 complete overswings per minute with a purple surfboard (fast 5) and booster if that helps. Unfortunately I don't have final blow yet, can't test it's speed.
Aran VS Heroes - HellenzSin - 2009-12-28
i was able to outdmg a lvl 160 hero at lvl 14x at zak arms using a normal speed PA which is only 100%d and other stuffs not that GOOD. We both had SE, apples and well SE is awesome on Arans.
Aran VS Heroes - Iuclfer - 2010-01-12
I'm a player from Maplesea.
Having played both hero and aran to 19x. I must say in bosses like HT, with SE, aran vastly outdamages heroes, and even NLs. I would believe even for captains (or coursairs here). Coursairs do not really do alot more damage compared to NLs at HT, because of frequently being hit and repositioning is needed.
Back to topic, as aran, I was able to get the main experience for most parts of HT. Intuitively, for jobs with natural ability to critical, SE benefits alot.
Without SE, Aran would probably be on par with Hero in terms of DPS.
Overswing hits about 45/min as mentioned by someone above. Thus, against a single target, it takes only around 22 seconds to charge to 100combos where our damage is optimum. Against 2 or more targets, the charging time to 100 combos is even shorter.
Even when dispelled, we can still keep our combos if we are alert enough. Just recast one buff at a time, (Freeze Standing first to avoid being KBed out of position) while still hitting in between buffs. If we remain alert throughout the run, which is quite enjoyable to me actually, we can keep our combos without re-charging most of the time.
All in all, having played many jobs, I felt leveling aran was the most enjoyable.
Aran VS Heroes - Roarak - 2010-01-12
I have both a 4th job Hero and Aran (as well as...well around 8 other 4th jobbers) and like some said before, in non-mobby places Heros do far better. Without a decent combo, Aran damage is pretty horrid. 1VS1 damage is pretty much on par with Heroes. This can easily be changed with a little funding on whichever side you want to win.
With that said, Aran are just nuts in mobby places. But of course that's expected. But out of all 4th job characters I ever played Aran are by far the hardest class. This goes for normal training as well as bosses. But hey this is still maple story, nothing is really that hard.
Aran VS Heroes - Akebo - 2010-01-12
I've never played a Hero but I'm going to go ahead and say this:
On Bigfoot, a Hero with the same range as me can do faster Bigfoots by two to three minutes (this is me using a Karstan, so Normal 6) The fact of the matter is, on bosses, they can do lesser damage quicker. That's why I believe that a Hero with SI and a Stonetooth can exceed an Aran's DPM. However, an Aran with SE can outdamage a Hero by far because of their pre-existing critical damage.
Aran VS Heroes - fiftyschmooo - 2010-01-12
Hmmmm after playing a Hero to 148 and an aran to 70 i personally ~liked~ the Hero more, the aran is a little to much non-stop for i liked to solo and just do whatever i wanted back in the day @ like duals but wth an aran to be @ max damage u need to be killing for some meassure of time to build up combo and when u stop poof there goes 10 atk (and crits or w/e later on) that being said, yes im biased towards Heros, *heros for life* but i did find Arans very fun too, and their damage seemed to be magestic in cpq (even tho i was never able to cpq on Hero but i can judge it to other classes ihave trained in cpq) im probally going to back to Aran after i pop My lvl 200 hymen on my Corsair maybe propell it into 4th job easy (stopped @ 70, yay atk ring) an spam ctrl a bunch, but from what i have seen damage and speed and usefulness wise i dont think an aran QUITE cuts it vs a Hero but they seem to be much more fun. soooo Hero>aran in my experiences
Aran VS Heroes - Stereo - 2010-01-12
Akebo Wrote:On Bigfoot, a Hero with the same range as me can do faster Bigfoots by two to three minutes (this is me using a Karstan, so Normal 6)
A hero with the same range as an Aran is significantly better equipped (like, 15 atk higher). And how much of a time difference is that? Like 8 vs. 10 minutes? 15 to 17?
Aran VS Heroes - Dual - 2010-01-12
[COLOR="Green"]My assumtions to the classes strong suits are:
Hero: Control, HP, Fluidity
Aran: Damage, Mobility, Mobbing
The Fluidity part is based off the fact that a Hero can stand motionless at a boss forever, just constantly spamming Brandish by holding one button and buffing occasionally. An Aran needs to constantly press that attack key to do each consecutive attack, and also move forward with certain attacks, causing them to have to move back.[/COLOR]
Aran VS Heroes - Solarboy - 2010-01-12
Every single class can beat any class, *coughexeptarchmagescough* just pick up the one yo would feel better with, aran needs quite some time to get used to, but a hero may take some time to grow strong. I prefer Aran anyways