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A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - ieat2much - 2009-12-16
Okay so I am considering a marksman and was wondering whether I should go for STR-less or low STR.
Now, my dilemma is that I keep seeming to have a problem calculating out the dex per atk and how str-less compare to low str.
So, if I have a base str of 80 versus STR-less then the dex per atk ratio will differ between the two. If I was to have a 100atk nishada versus a 120atk level 100 bow which would be better? And why? (This means I am wearing nothing, naked except for zhelm and MoN/Dep star.)
Also, what would the dex per atk ratio be for each?
All help would GREATLY be appreciated!
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - Beaner - 2009-12-16
try downloading a calculator like sybaris or something and play around with it
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - Shidoshi - 2009-12-16
For marksman:
how much dex is equal to 1 atk, at current state:
dex/atk = (3.6*dex+str)/(3.6*atk)
Just remember this ratio will change for every point added to dex/str and for every attack gained
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - Dusk - 2009-12-16
The ratio differs by the individual. Divide your Dex by your Att and add 0.3ish to adjust for Str.
120 Neschere > 100 Nishada for sure. I'd recommend starting STRless and converting by adding base STR once you've settled on a good high level xbow.
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - KaidaTan - 2009-12-16
Shidoshi Wrote:how much dex is equal to 1 atk, at current state:This formula is only true for your maximum range, which isn't nearly as important as your average range. It doesn't account for the fact that DEX does more for your maximum range than your minimum, while STR gives the same amount of damage to both. Though this is extremely close.
dex/atk = (3.6*dex+str)/(3.6*atk)
After some testing I've found that Dusk is definitely right: there's no way a 100 Neschere can beat a 120 Normal speed crossbow. In the end low-str will always triumph.
For most people the dex to attack ratio seems to hover between 5 and 6. It's usually closer to 6 if you're less funded (dex cape, dex shoes, etc), and closer to 5 if you're more funded.
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - Shidoshi - 2009-12-16
So more like
dex/atk = [1.8*(1+0.9*mastery)*dex + str]/[1.8*(1+0.9*mastery)*atk]
for an exact value
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - KaidaTan - 2009-12-17
Shidoshi Wrote:So more likeThat comes with the same results as my formula, somehow.
dex/atk = [1.8*(1+0.9*mastery)*dex + str]/[1.8*(1+0.9*mastery)*atk]
for an exact value
dex/atk = (dex+(1/((3.6+3.6*0.9*mastery)/2))*str)/atk
Yours looks nicer though. No idea where you got that 1.8*.... oh now I get it. Good thinking. It's your own little way of averaging.
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - Dusk - 2009-12-17
KaidaTan Wrote:For most people the dex to attack ratio seems to hover between 5 and 6. It's usually closer to 6 if you're less funded (dex cape, dex shoes, etc), and closer to 5 if you're more funded.
Man, my stuff must suck, my ratio is 5.97:1.
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - Stereo - 2009-12-17
Well, it's both level and types of gear.
If you have dex shoes/cape instead of purely attack gear, that raises the ratio without decreasing your damage by much.
And of course at higher levels you have more dex, so the ratio rises. My level 30 Aran has a 1.6str:1atk ratio (which is pineappleing epic), while my Paladin is over 4:1 and gonna be 4.5:1 by 140 unless I change up my gear.
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - KaidaTan - 2009-12-17
I don't know about you guys, but I factor in MW and a 12 (and 100) attack pot when I do this kind of stuff, since that's what I'd be training/bossing with. No point in figuring out the ratio for a situation that wouldn't exist (me without a pot or MW).
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - Cyanne - 2009-12-17
Going strless is beneficial early on especially because you don't have a ton of AP yet, so the extra dex you get is good. You'll be stronger earlier on, and you'll have an easy time planning your str for the weapon you plan on using. A lot of the things that give str have high level requirements, such as the 100/120 overall, shoe if you don't use facestompers, and mark of naricain. You also won't have to switch out weapons every few levels to keep up your damage, just go straight from crow to nishada, then to the weapon you plan on using after adding str.
A Little Confused About Dex per w.atk and how it differs from STR-less to low STR - Dusk - 2009-12-17
KaidaTan Wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I factor in MW and a 12 (and 100) attack pot when I do this kind of stuff, since that's what I'd be training/bossing with. No point in figuring out the ratio for a situation that wouldn't exist (me without a pot or MW).Okay, now it's 5.98.