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Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - butterfλi - 2009-12-10
I believe success is only temporary but failure lasts forever. I do value all my successes, from little ones to big: making it to level 100 in some 2d side scrolling game, solving a complicated math problem, graduating high school, meeting new people and friends, passing a class, finishing an assignment... basically everything. But I believe that all success is only temporary. Yeah, you finished a test, now on to the next one. Yeah, you finished school, now on to find a job. That might seem like a pessimistic view of life (from school to college, from college to work, from work to death) but it's what you do about it.
Because success is only temporary, I seek more to accomplish. Some people mope about how life is boring. It's what one make of it.
You can learn from failures but you can't always learn from success. Key word: always. For instance, if you finish a math problem with one method, you can't always apply that method again to succeed again. Similarly, if you go for that girl or boy you had your eye on and fail, you learn what not to do next time. If you succeed, (assuming your relationship doesn't last) you can't really learn much from it because how you hit on one person might not work for another person. In addition, you also learn what not to do in a relationship to keep it going.
Anyway, that's my view. I can see why one can argue that failure is temporary but success is permanent but I'm not trying to change anyone's views. What's yours?
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - FrozNlite - 2009-12-10
Love philosophy <3.
Holding this post for response later; lots to say but no time to organize thoughts
. I will say, for the time being, that I voted "Failure is temporary. Success is permanent."
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Dual - 2009-12-10
It all depends on what you're doing. If you're trying for something that has a one-time opportunity, then yes, failure would be permanent. However, unlimited tries = never permanent.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Cyadd - 2009-12-10
Hold on guys, let me re-write the laws of gravity...
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Nikkey - 2009-12-10
Both are true and false.
Let me elaborate. Success and failure are words that tell whether you managed to achieve a specific action or not. If the action's timespan is out, and you cannot achieve it anymore, then you have either permanently succeeded or failed the action. However, if the action's timespan is not out, then you might have permanently or temporarily succeeded (or not), depending on the wording.
Examples on this would be goals in MapleStory. (Since the set goals is a subset of actions blah blah)
"I was the first person in GMS to level 200" is a permanent achievement done by FangBlade.
"I have been the highest-leveled person in MapleStory" is a permanent achievement done by Tiger in a timespan reaching from GMS started to FangBlade turned 200.
"I was not the first person in GMS to level 200" is a permanent achievement done by everyone but FangBlade (It is turned negatively, but it's an achievement nonetheless).
"I am the strongest Paladin in the MapleStory-world of all time" - Temporarily achievement.
As for the learning-part, every action earns you experience, which means that if you use that experience, you have learnt something. Thus, every single action gives you experience, no matter how little experience it gives you or how little you use of that experience.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Worthyness - 2009-12-10
But here's the thing:
If you fail, then you have succeeded in failing. But that also means you failed at Succeeding. So which have you actually done? This means that both success and failure are permanent things
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Swerve - 2009-12-11
Success and failure don't really exist. It's just a social stigma that is relative from person to person. People create goals in their mind. These goals don't really exist. Success and failure are theoretical outputs from a theoretical idea that does not exist.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Bacon - 2009-12-11
One man's success is another man's failure.
~Bacon, December 10th, 2009.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Heidi - 2009-12-11
For things where you will only EVER get one attempt, then both failure and success are permenent for that situation.
Otherwise, Failure is temporary. Success is permanent. If you screw something up, you're likely to have a chance to correct it later removing the failure and replacing it with success.
I don't think my views on this are philosophical enough though :/
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Swerve - 2009-12-11
Bacon Wrote:One man's success is another man's failure.
~Bacon, December 10th, 2009.
- One man's success is another man's failure.
- One man's failure is another man's success.
- One man's success is another man's failure therefore one man's failure is another man's success.
- One man's success means nothing to another man.
- One man's success is forgotten over time.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Russt - 2009-12-11
Both of them are temporary.
And so are you and I.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Bacon - 2009-12-11
Russt Wrote:Both of them are temporary.Wrong.
And so are you and I.
Look at Jesus. Look at Einstein. Look at George Washington. Look at Caesar.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Swerve - 2009-12-11
Ah. This post has been successfully edited. Sorry guys. Proceed with the conversation.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Kalovale - 2009-12-11
Bacon Wrote:Wrong.
Look at Jesus. Look at Einstein. Look at George Washington. Look at Caesar.
Opposites would be Pandora, some failed scientist, Richard Nixon and probably far-fetched but perhaps Hitler.
I would say neither is different from the other, success and failure. But as a human being everyone thrives to improve, or at least I assume so, therefore I'd be more inclined to vote for success.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Link - 2009-12-11
From all of my experiences, the effects of succeeding died off very shortly after I succeeded in that event. Everything that I've failed in has stuck with me like a black cloud ever since I've done it. I'd say success is only temporary, whereas failure is permanent.
You can't change your failures, even if you succeed the next time around, but you can screw up your success by failing.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Derimed - 2009-12-11
It depends on the thing you succeeded or failed at.
If you succeed in getting a good job and succeed in accumulating 30 million dollars, you'll have a very nice house, and a very nice car, and a very nice job that guarantees more. Of course, there are personal successes (wife, kids, etc.) but that just reinforces it -- these are all not "temporary" successes, they stick with you.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - desi&co - 2009-12-12
Failure or success being temporary or permanent depends on how you interpret it. A glass half-full or half-empty. All experiences lead to the next step, which is the point of life- to move through it learning what you can.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Retalion - 2009-12-13
well, according to Churchill,
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts"
When looking at this topic, I immeadiately think of Tiger Woods and Mike Vick for some reason.
Woods: All the success in the world, yet in the last few weeks, all of that has become irrelevant with the whole affair (with like 6 different women?) thing.
Vick: Again, all the success in the world, then dog fighting. However, even after something like that, he is slowly rebuilding his image.
Neither is permanent with enough determination, in my opinion.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Mira - 2009-12-13
Neither. Success and Failure can both be temporary and permanent depending on the situation. Usually, success and failure are both temporary. It really is all situational.
Success vs Failure. Which is permanent? - Nikkey - 2009-12-13
Retalion Wrote:Woods: All the success in the world, yet in the last few weeks, all of that has become irrelevant with the whole affair (with like 6 different women?) thing.
Vick: Again, all the success in the world, then dog fighting. However, even after something like that, he is slowly rebuilding his image.
Neither is permanent with enough determination, in my opinion.
Tiger has still achieved being the best golf player at a certain point in the history, and I don't see how that is not being successful. As of right now, he's not successful in his love-life, but that shouldn't affect his golf unless he stops training as frequently as he does.
Though, everybody have mistakes, and there's no way to avoid that. For example, I suppose you guys over at America have been "propagandaed" into believing the recently martyred Kennedy and King were saints.
It was kind of astonishing to learn later on that they'd both been serial womanizers (oh wow, connections), and that Kennedy was a speed freak to boot. But really, by the time King's plagiarism emerged, I'd lost the ability to be surprised by the misdeeds of famous people.