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Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Styles - 2009-09-24
Yes a other theard like this.
I would like to get some info on the pros and cons and them balanced out between thoses classes Whos better at bossing in generly and whos just better at some bosses? Training wise? and i mean from second to 4th job, 30 to 200, And got any reasons why you did choose the one over a other?
For off thx.
-Nielz.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Lozmaster - 2009-09-24
2nd and 3rd job might as well be identical, the only major skill that's different is the ice arrow thing xbowmen get at 3rd instead of inferno [inferno being useless, the ice arrow, not]
After that it's where it changes up, bowmasters have better 1v1 with hurricane. but the best mob skill they get is bomb arrow [unless you happen to like hugging 2hkoing monsters], but xbowmasters get a few better mob skills at the lack of an improved 1v1. And they have freezing of course. I would assume that xbows have a slightly better exp rate because they can mob.
Bowmasters are better at 1v1 bossing though, however if you can get SI for the xbow, the difference is stupidly small.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - KaidaTan - 2009-09-24
Bowmasters:
-(Slightly) Better at 1v1
-Because of the old Marksmen stigma, Bowmasters are illogically preferred at bosses
-Can pin bosses that Marksmen cannot (Bodyguard A, Tengu, Anego, and 2nd form Pap)
Marksmen:
-(Slightly) Faster at training
-Can freeze in 3rd and 4th job (so less pot costs)
-Much greater mob control
-Much less expensive to make gear for
-Higher damage range (but still less DPS)
Really, I think your choice depends on how much of a damage whore you are. If you don't mind being weaker than the Bowmasters and not being able to solo Anego as well or Bodyguard A at all, then Marksmen will be a great all-around class. Snipe is cool too. Even Marksmen are better at soloing smaller bosses than most classes, though, because Puppet is one of the best skills in the game.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - FelixTM - 2009-09-24
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Mark - 2009-09-24
KaidaTan Wrote:-Can pin bosses that Marksmen cannot (Bodyguard A, Tengu, Anego, and 2nd form Pap)
Just like to add my girlfriend pins Pap's 2nd form quite well.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Marksman Bryan - 2009-09-24
Opeth Wrote:Just like to add my girlfriend pins Pap's 2nd form quite well.
I agree with Mark, I can pin Pap, but I always have to have puppet ready in case of a non-crit strafe that doesnt KB him.
People always argue which is better, and it really is only preference. Yes, Marksman train faster, but (at least in Bello) any bishop I know would prefer a BM over a Marksman, even AFTER I prove we train faster. Still, BMs have hurricane and that's a pretty sweet skill. I always have someone make fun of me for not being able to pin anego
Damage wise, once you max snipe, the damage is so similar it isn't worth the arguement. I love maxed snipe, especially for area bosses (and bot-catching monsters). I can just 1-hit em all, like snowman. By the time I cc, snipe has cooled down. I also like seeing that 19x,xxx damage every 5 seconds 
I chose Sniper (before 4th job existed) because they were rare. If you want to make a Marksman, you're gonna need an NX weapon. Most xbows cover your face
Oh yea, xbows and scrolls are cheaper. That's always a plus!
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Dusk - 2009-09-24
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Cyanne - 2009-09-24
Styles Wrote:Yes a other theard like this.
I would like to get some info on the pros and cons and them balanced out between thoses classes Whos better at bossing in generly and whos just better at some bosses? Training wise? and i mean from second to 4th job, 30 to 200, And got any reasons why you did choose the one over a other?
For off thx.
-Nielz.
Just choose the one you'll find more enjoyable. I chose MM because the training style is appealing to me, and it still is well into 4th job. I still enjoy hunting and training with my marksman. You might personally enjoy a bowmaster better though, but that's up to you.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Chameleonic - 2009-09-25
lol @ Felix.
I think I'd trade my versatility for pinning ability/more DPS...but not having played a high level Bowmaster I cant say for sure that I would trade.
Marksman are alright but very different in their training style, I'm kinda sick of having Strafe as my main attacking skill in most situations to level 200...I'm enamoured with Hurricane though so I cant think straight when I comes to Bowmasters.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Hotshot - 2009-09-25
The one thing a lot of people seem to complain about is using strafe as a main boss-attacking skill until 200 (with snipes every few seconds inbetween). Hurricane really appeals to people in general because it hits hard and fast but aesthetics aside BM and MM single target dps by the 140s-160s is pretty close with and without apples, with BM gaining a bit of ground on the way to 200.
If you're into appling and fighting zak/ht/anego/eventually PB and attacking quickly then bowmaster would probably be a better choice. If you enjoy training quickly and efficiently and seeing high damage numbers then marksman would probably be a better choice. The classes play quite differently in mid-late 4th job, but the results are still pretty similar so it's more a question of preferance of styles than of which one is truly 'better' at a given role. Player skill, level, and equipment has more of an effect than class differences in terms of usefulness here.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Feileacan - 2009-10-06
I'm a bit late on this thread but w/e...
When I first started Maple, I wanted to be an archer and thought that xbows weren't "real" archers so I started using bows and hated it. Switched to xbows and now I love my MM to death. I thought Iron Arrow was the pomegranate when I got to 2nd job... Pierce is even more awesome.
Being able to freeze things in 3rd job comes in handy and I still use it in 4th job with Frostprey. My Snipe is only lvl 2 atm but I'm getting excited to max it and love hitting omginsane damage with Pierce. It's nice having the versatility during training instead of sitting and spamming one attack... I almost lost my mind doing that at newts. Since I've moved to Peak, I use 6 skills in training... helps keep things interesting.As far as bossing... I don't really care to get KSed by some NL so I don't BF or Anego and Pap's star summons still kill me without a chance (almost there on HP) so I can't really offer an opinion there. I frequently CWKPQ and Zak and don't really feel inadequate at all. I get a *tad* jealous of the BMs during the bowman stage but when we get to the boss stage, I'm usually SE mule for the melee party and get SI as well so it evens out.
Yes, Hurricane is awesome and the hard and fast numbers flying up is pretty cool to watch, but I like watching my even higher pretty pink numbers pop up. The 19x,xxx damage from Snipe still makes me a tad giddy.
Whenever I get jealous of BMs I look at the guildie BM who is 1 lvl below me. He fails epicly... he's so much weaker than me even with a bow that's 2 atk better than mine (we both have Reverses). It's lolsome.
If you're trying to chose which to be... best advice I can give is actually not to think about the differences in skills for both subclasses. Just grab a bow and xbow for your char and go kill stuff with both. If one feels more right than the other, that's what you should go with. If you don't get that feeling, I've given my input above.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Kalovale - 2009-10-06
How can a Bowmaster versus a group of Marksmen?
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Beaner - 2009-10-06
marksmen suck, go make a corsair
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Kevin - 2009-10-06
Feileacan Wrote:Whenever I get jealous of BMs I look at the guildie BM who is 1 lvl below me. He fails epicly... he's so much weaker than me even with a bow that's 2 atk better than mine (we both have Reverses). It's lolsome.Lol kinda unfair if you're comparing it at that level, if he's 135 then he probably doesn't have maxed Hurricane, while your Strafe is maxed.
I do wish BMs were less suck at mobbing, but oh well.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Dusk - 2009-10-06
Kevin Wrote:Lol kinda unfair if you're comparing it at that level, if he's 135 then he probably doesn't have maxed Hurricane, while your Strafe is maxed.
I do wish BMs were less suck at mobbing, but oh well.
level 1 Hurricane outdamages Strafe.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Kevin - 2009-10-06
I was thinking that she might've been talking about his apparent low max Hurricane damage as compared to her max Strafe damage, not damage over time.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Feileacan - 2009-10-07
No, it was more like he pineappled up his stats and therefore his attack range is massively below mine. I think range is something like 15xx or 19xx~27xx? Mine is 22xx~37xx. I'll ask him for a rundown of his stats next time he is on and we can dissect exactly why he fails. My guild actually calls him the epic fail BM.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - CarrionCrow - 2009-10-07
Feileacan Wrote:No, it was more like he pineappled up his stats and therefore his attack range is massively below mine. I think range is something like 15xx or 19xx~27xx? Mine is 22xx~37xx. I'll ask him for a rundown of his stats next time he is on and we can dissect exactly why he fails. My guild actually calls him the epic fail BM.
I thought all the people with messed up stats vanished long ago... Especially after the massive sale of AP resets.
More on topic: A marksman is more fun to play by my preferences, I have always disliked hurricane. It's not like the fact that Bowmasters are better at bosses make Marksmen useless either.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Feileacan - 2009-10-07
CarrionCrow Wrote:A marksman is more fun to play by my preferences, I have always disliked hurricane. It's not like the fact that Bowmasters are better at bosses make Marksmen useless either.
Exactly. Just because we don't do insane DPS all the time and esp at bosses doesn't make us invalids. It bugged me back when everyone piled on the BM bandwagon because everyone
'd Hurricane and subsequently thought Marksmen were crap/useless because the couldn't see the hidden potential of Marksman behind all the Bowmasters' flashy skill. I'm just glad that people are starting to understand that Marksmen can not only hold their own, but are pretty interesting/versatile.
Bowmaster VS Marksmen - Dusk - 2009-10-07
Feileacan Wrote:Exactly. Just because we don't do insane DPS all the time and esp at bosses doesn't make us invalids. It bugged me back when everyone piled on the BM bandwagon because everyone
Well, they were helped a lot by the two rounds of skill updates that made Pierce and Snipe like 10x more useful. Pierce was god awful when it took 2 seconds to charge and you couldn't move at all.