Damage Reflect - Printable Version

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Damage Reflect - MasPan - 2009-07-04

[color="#cc8899"]I'm curious if it's possible to take an instant 9k damage (3.25k touch, 2.5k x2 (DR from PG and attack)).

Any Hero/Pally want to test this on Lilynouch please?[/COLOR]

Damage Reflect - KajitiSouls - 2009-07-04

What? o.O

I don't see how it's possible to get DR damage twice in one touch o.O

If experience tells us anything (and assume I know nothing about DR, which isn't true) PG will probably bypass DR completely, just the way it bypasses super def.

Damage Reflect - Gstatue - 2009-07-04

He means brandishing while PGing, so that you'd do both PG and BD damage. Would he get hit with both the reflect from PG and brandish, or just the first one?

I don't think you get invincibility frames after getting hit by reflect, so...yeah. Prolly both. Confirmation anyone?

Damage Reflect - MasPan - 2009-07-04

KajitiSouls Wrote:What? o.O

I don't see how it's possible to get DR damage twice in one touch o.O

[color="#cc8899"]DR activates from you damaging the monster. It stacks with damage from the boss (it doesn't activate invincibility for you). Hurricane arrows stack and can quickly kill a bowmaster (I don't know if each arrow = a hit, but I know the damage will rack up very quickly). So, basically, since PG damages Lilynouch, you'd take not only the touch damage but the DR as well. What I'm asking is if it's possible to add even more damage by using an attack as your PG activates and take damage from 3 sources at one time.

Also, while we're on the subject, do hurricane arrows EACH cause DR to activate, or do you only take it every 2 arrows, every 4, etc?[/COLOR]

Damage Reflect - KajitiSouls - 2009-07-04

MasPan Wrote:[color="#cc8899"]DR activates from you damaging the monster. It stacks with damage from the boss (it doesn't activate invincibility for you). Hurricane arrows stack and can quickly kill a bowmaster (I don't know if each arrow = a hit, but I know the damage will rack up very quickly). So, basically, since PG damages Lilynouch, you'd take not only the touch damage but the DR as well. What I'm asking is if it's possible to add even more damage by using an attack as your PG activates and take damage from 3 sources at one time.

Also, while we're on the subject, do hurricane arrows EACH cause DR to activate, or do you only take it every 2 arrows, every 4, etc?[/COLOR]

Probably each arrow, I saw Isaac die really fast xD

I'm headed to Lilynouch atm (I'm in NLC) and I'll only test the PG aspect of DR, since I've never actually PGed it while DRed, and 9k damage is quite close to fatality for me. I can say BanHammer still does its job, although I get DR damage xD

Damage Reflect - MasPan - 2009-07-04

KajitiSouls Wrote:Probably each arrow, I saw Isaac die really fast xD

I'm headed to Lilynouch atm (I'm in NLC) and I'll only test the PG aspect of DR, since I've never actually PGed it while DRed, and 9k damage is quite close to fatality for me. I can say BanHammer still does its job, although I get DR damage xD

Ok. Thanks for doing what you can Big Grin

Damage Reflect - Phoenix - 2009-07-04

Ok....when Lilynouch casted Reflect...I've hugged him with PG on and not taken any dmg =/

At least I'm pretty sure...I didn't take anything out of the ordinary.

Does Hugging prevent Reflect?

Damage Reflect - MasPan - 2009-07-04

Phoenix Wrote:Ok....when Lilynouch casted Reflect...I've hugged him with PG on and not taken any dmg =/

At least I'm pretty sure...I didn't take anything out of the ordinary.

Does Hugging prevent Reflect?

No, but if you're not attacking you won't. From what you're saying PG damage doesn't activate DR, good to know I guess.

Damage Reflect - KajitiSouls - 2009-07-04

Problem with PGing a DRed monster is that damage you take would almost be superimposed over each other, if not exactly =/

Oh man this feels like Mythbusters xD

EDIT: Results! In each of these SSes, I had full HP before taking damage.

Control

Power Guard Test

Botched HH+PG finish xD

So the conclusion is that PG bypasses DR, just like how it bypasses super defense.

Damage Reflect - MasPan - 2009-07-04

KajitiSouls Wrote:Problem with PGing a DRed monster is that damage you take would almost be superimposed over each other, if not exactly =/

Oh man this feels like Mythbusters xD

Easiest way to tell is if you take more than 3.5k damage (20% reduct on appx 4k damage), especially anything more than 5k (3.5 + 1.5). I crouch-poked and still took 1400-2000, so damage done is insignificant. I can, however, say that Sacrifice + touch damage + DR = ouch.

Damage Reflect - KajitiSouls - 2009-07-04

MasPan Wrote:Easiest way to tell is if you take more than 3.5k damage (20% reduct on appx 4k damage), especially anything more than 5k (3.5 + 1.5). I crouch-poked and still took 1400-2000, so damage done is insignificant. I can, however, say that Sacrifice + touch damage + DR = ouch.

See previous post, you sneaky ninja you >_>

Damage Reflect - MasPan - 2009-07-04

KajitiSouls Wrote:See previous post, you sneaky ninja you >_>

Ok, good to know - otherwise Heros and Pallys would constantly be in danger of killing themselves. Now the question is if Energy Charge bypasses it too...

Damage Reflect - Manu - 2009-07-04

How does damage reflect work? is it a fixed damage you get back or is it a % of what you hit?
If I go and use barrage, will I get 6 hits? 0_0

Damage Reflect - KajitiSouls - 2009-07-04

Darkmaniak Wrote:How does damage reflect work? is it a fixed damage you get back or is it a % of what you hit?
If I go and use barrage, will I get 6 hits? 0_0

I was told no, just one DR damage. I made a thread asking this in the Amherst forum xD

And yes, it's a fixed value range.

Damage Reflect - MasPan - 2009-07-04

Darkmaniak Wrote:How does damage reflect work? is it a fixed damage you get back or is it a % of what you hit?
If I go and use barrage, will I get 6 hits? 0_0

[color="#cc8899"]Fixed damage % (Between 1500-2500 is what I typically see).
Barrage counts as a single attack, so you'd take damage once. The only attacks that would rapidly add up DR damage would be double shot, hurricane, and rapid fire.[/COLOR]

Damage Reflect - Manu - 2009-07-04

Also... what would happen with energy drain? XD It'd be kinda weird 0,0
fast attack... but healing...?

Damage Reflect - MasPan - 2009-07-04

Darkmaniak Wrote:Also... what would happen with energy drain? XD It'd be kinda weird 0,0
fast attack... but healing...?

You'd only be doing 1's, so you wouldn't be healing much.

Damage Reflect - Cyanne - 2009-07-04

The way it works is if an attack connects with the monster, you just get reflected back a set amount of damage within a range (lilynouch's is 1250-2750). You could hit it with a level 7 beginner that would obviously miss yet still get damage reflected back (though technically the "miss" would be 1 since all damage is set to 1).

Damage Reflect - Kabanaw - 2009-07-04

I've also heard that damage reflect bypasses MG. Is that true?

Damage Reflect - MasPan - 2009-07-04

Kabanaw Wrote:I've also heard that damage reflect bypasses MG. Is that true?

Yes. Mages pretty much get 1hko'd by it.