SethElite Wrote:So today in fourth period I was pretty bored and was just thinking random stuff when I got this...

In my personal opinion the only reason that humans are able to interact with each other in the way we do is because of our individuality. If there was no individuality everyone would be the same, thus meaning that everyone would no everything about everyone else. There would be no curiosity, and you could then hardy call any interaction that we would have interaction by todays definition.

This brings me to my next point, we are consciously individual, we understand that we are different and this is where curiosity stems from. If individuality was subconscious, then the same scenario I outlined in the first point would take place due to our individuality being an open book for all to read at their whim.. This means that we can choose how to make ourselves individual, and it is not just pre-determined when we are born. It is thought that what makes us who we are is the collective experiences that transpire during our life that our brains record as electronic signals, meaning that everything we perceive is actually just impulses of electricity.

Next, as previously stated we get our individuality from events that transpire though out our lives, not from another individuality. Therefore there is no original individuality, a stand alone complex. If our individuality is a stand alone complex then our consciousness must not be consciousness at all and a copy of nothing. Nothing is nothing no matter how you look at it, meaning that a copy of nothing is still nothing. Human consciousness does not exist, we are just a collective unconsciousness acting conscious though any means necessary.

If we are a collective unconciousness of either one or multiple beings acting as seperate conciousnesses what does that make nothing, since we obviously are concious in some state that means that nothing must therefore be something since without something there would be no consciousness at all, real or fake. The collective subconscious that we are must be striving to be something... But what... What is nothing?

I figure that due to the fact that all of our thoughts, emotions, and memory are just electronic signals it is quite possible that we are all just computer programs in some unconscious supercomputer that is really everything that ever has, ever will, and does exist. Nothingness is just a glitch in this supercomputer without a creator.

You may argue something to do with God, but I am infact an athiest and i believe the same rules I have layed out here would also apply to God if he was real, he would just be nothing trying to be something, even without any idea of what that something must be.

Discuss?

Ya ya, I know, tl;dr

Quote:Human consciousness does not exist, we are just a collective unconsciousness acting conscious though any means necessary.

If we are a collective unconciousness of either one or multiple beings acting as seperate conciousnesses what does that make nothing, since we obviously are concious in some state that means that nothing must therefore be something since without something there would be no consciousness at all, real or fake. The collective subconscious that we are must be striving to be something...

Quote:But what... What is nothing?
I figure that due to the fact that all of our thoughts, emotions, and memory are just electronic signals it is quite possible that we are all just computer programs in some unconscious supercomputer that is really everything that ever has, ever will, and does exist. Nothingness is just a glitch in this supercomputer.

Quote:Our individuality is, although it seems to be in our full control more likely than not has been planned out for an infinite amount of time. Time as I see it is just the human perception of events transpiring around us, and as such since we are all programs in this super computer which has existed for an infinite amount of time and will always continue to exist even long after all the matter and energy is gone from our universe must have something above it, otherwise it would have no perception of time. Without its perception of time we would have no perception of time and thus would create a paradox.

There is an infinite loop of these supercomputers looped together in a subnet that stretched though out all dimensions of space, time, and all the other random crap we have yet to discover within our corner of the subnet. But what exists beyond it all? Anything? Infinity is a great great number but nothing is truly infinite, there must be a single point from which it all began. What is this single point, what we could possibly call nothingness?

Quote:This would then imply that everything is nothing, and nothing is everything, we do not even exist. True nothingness as we define it. But as I stated previously everything is nothing and nothing is everything. This true nothingness must the the true everything. There is no such thing as nothingness or everything, it all just is.

SethElite Wrote:I figure that due to the fact that all of our thoughts, emotions, and memory are just electronic signals it is quite possible that we are all just computer programs in some unconscious supercomputer that is really everything that ever has, ever will, and does exist. Nothingness is just a glitch in this supercomputer. Our individuality is, although it seems to be in our full control more likely than not has been planned out for an infinite amount of time. Time as I see it is just the human perception of events transpiring around us, and as such since we are all programs in this super computer which has existed for an infinite amount of time and will always continue to exist even long after all the matter and energy is gone from our universe must have something above it, otherwise it would have no perception of time. Without its perception of time we would have no perception of time and thus would create a paradox. There is an infinite loop of these supercomputers looped together in a subnet that stretched though out all dimensions of space, time, and all the other random crap we have yet to discover within our corner of the subnet. But what exists beyond it all? Anything? Infinity is a great great number but nothing is truly infinite, there must be a single point from which it all began. What is this single point, what we could possibly call nothingness?

http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/fp.html Wrote:Fire up the time machine. Our walk in the park took place more than two thousand years ago, on a beautiful sunny day of a long forgotten spring in 380 B.C. Outside the city walls of Athens, under the pleasant shade of olive trees Plato was walking towards the Academy with a beautiful slave boy. The weather was lovely, the dinner was filling, and the conversation turned to philosophy.

"Look at these two students", said Plato carefully picking words to make the question educational. "Who do you think is taller?" The slave boy looked towards the basin of water where two men were standing. "They're about the same height", he said. "What do you mean 'about the same'?", asked Plato. "Well, they look the same from here but I'm sure if I were to get closer I'd see that there is some difference."

Plato smiled. He was leading the boy in the right direction. "So you would say that there is nothing perfectly equal in our world?" After some thinking the boy replied: "I don't think so. Everything is at least a little different, even if we can't see it." The point hit home! "Then if nothing is perfectly equal in this world, how do you think you understand the concept of 'perfect' equality?" The slave boy looked puzzled. "I don't know", he replied.

So was born the first attempt to understand the nature of mathematics. Plato suggested that everything in our world is just an approximation of perfection. He also realized that we understand the concept of perfection even though we never encountered it. He came to conclusion that perfect mathematical forms must live in another world and that we somehow know about them by having a connection to that "alternative" universe. It's fairly clear that there is no perfect circle that we can observe. But we also understand what a perfect circle is and can describe it via equations. What is mathematics, then? Why is the universe described with mathematical laws? Can all of the phenomena of our universe be described by mathematics?