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Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Kabanaw - 2009-05-31
I'm wondering, does having a high second stat really effect damage that much? Does it really effect your damage extremely to have an extra 30 or 40 points in your secondary stat?
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Corn - 2009-05-31
If it influenced damage that much, then there wouldn't be so much x-less classes.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - MetaSeraphim - 2009-05-31
ClawofBeta Wrote:If it influenced damage that much, then there wouldn't be so much x-less classes.
That's what damage whores want you to believe.
The only class where being -less really effects things is mages since 1 Int = 1 Magic Attack.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - shine of voice - 2009-05-31
MetaSeraphim Wrote:That's what damage whores want you to believe.
The only class where being -less really effects things is mages since 1 Int = 1 Magic Attack.
Not true. Have you ever seen a dexless warrior's damage vs one of 60+ dex?
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - MetaSeraphim - 2009-05-31
Yes, and it's not that much.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Kabanaw - 2009-05-31
shine of voice Wrote:Not true. Have you ever seen a dexless warrior's damage vs one of 60+ dex?
Using the calculator on this site, a warrior with 500 str, 4 dex, and 100 WA has a few hundred more base range than one with 440 str, 64 dex, and 100 WA.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Dusk - 2009-05-31
Secondary stat is more important for classes with low damage multipliers and mastery (the actual %, disregarding crit), like bandits and gunslingers. For us, one point of primary stat isn't even worth 2 secondary stat.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - kingdj333 - 2009-05-31
low stat vs. statless??
big difference if you compare
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - shine of voice - 2009-06-01
Kabanaw Wrote:Using the calculator on this site, a warrior with 500 str, 4 dex, and 100 WA has a few hundred more base range than one with 440 str, 64 dex, and 100 WA.
You don't consider a "few hundred more" a lot?
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Kabanaw - 2009-06-01
shine of voice Wrote:You don't consider a "few hundred more" a lot?
Not really. Maybe you do a few thousand less damage when using skills. Big deal. I'm used to doing low damage compared to, well, everyone else (luk AM >_>)
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - WhiteKnight - 2009-06-01
I have a kinda high base dex (70) but I kinda like it because with my helm, I can just focus on getting strength gear and not having to worry about accuracy.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Beserker101 - 2009-06-01
From personal experience, my first WK didn't hit over 3k damage until it got to use it's doom bringer (97 attack) at level 70 and it had 90 base DEX while my current page with 5 base DEX has been dealing 3k since level 50 with it's japanese map (80 attack). My old WK at the time had weapon attack coming from only 2 sources when it first hit over 3k (97 att DB and 5 attack pill) to total a 102 attack while my page had 3 sources when it first hit over 3k (80 att JM, 10 att gloves, and 12 att pot) to total a 102 attack as well. so for a warrior, the DEX difference I had was worth about 20 levels of STR for damage.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Kabanaw - 2009-06-01
Beserker101 Wrote:From personal experience, my first WK didn't hit over 3k damage until it got to use it's doom bringer (97 attack) at level 70 and it had 90 base DEX while my current page with 5 base DEX has been dealing 3k since level 50 with it's japanese map (80 attack). My old WK at the time had weapon attack coming from only 2 sources when it first hit over 3k (97 att DB and 5 attack pill) to total a 102 attack while my page had 3 sources when it first hit over 3k (80 att JM, 10 att gloves, and 12 att pot) to total a 102 attack as well. so for a warrior, the DEX difference I had was worth about 20 levels of STR for damage.
Well, that could just be the WA difference. I'm sure that if your WK had more WA before it would probably hit 3k sooner.
And for warriors, I'd keep my second stat low since it's only used for accuracy, not for equips. I'd probably cap my dex signifigantly lower than that, especially since with maker on high level items you can get a crap load of accuracy.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - USMC - 2009-06-06
A few hundred damage difference in base damage range is a lot, considering your skills will multiply this by around 400-800%(3rd job) and 800-1600%(4th job). And as you get to higher level the gap gets bigger and bigger.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - MasPan - 2009-06-06
USMC Wrote:A few hundred damage difference in base damage range is a lot, considering your skills will multiply this by around 400-800%(3rd job) and 800-1600%(4th job). And as you get to higher level the gap gets bigger and bigger.
To a point - once a warrior caps their STR, someone with around 40 base DEX will start closing the gap.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - modular - 2009-06-06
MasPan Wrote:To a point - once a warrior caps their STR, someone with around 40 base DEX will start closing the gap.
for most that is so far off that it doesnt even matter. 196 is just a pipe dream.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Kabanaw - 2009-06-07
I already said, I think it's a good idea to keep your second stat low on warriors because besides accuracy there's no point. For other classes, you can equip higher level items with more WA, but for warriors the only thing you get for a ton of dex is a Rigbol.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Stereo - 2009-06-07
The Taru Spirit Cape requires dex too, but only 85. It does mean that low-dex has a little advantage over dexless, but only in cost. Eg. my 3/13 Spirit Cape cost as much as a 3/10 PAC.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Morgana - 2009-06-08
Kabanaw Wrote:Well, that could just be the WA difference. I'm sure that if your WK had more WA before it would probably hit 3k sooner.
His point was that the total WA was the same (102) when they both hit 3k, but the dexless hit it with ~100 less STR.
Anyway, I hate that my bishop has 50 LUK; it's annoying. I have half a mind to sell all my equips right now, use the money to reset, pay about $50 more in resets and be an unfunded LUKless, and do better damage with a clean Wisdom than my 103/9 Angel Wings. =/ Equips cost so much nowadays that it's comparable money to resetting. But then I think I should restart and get myself more MP so I can quit dying at Skeles. So I just keep leveling my luk bishop because it took me years to get this far...
Personally, all characters I make from now on (except archers, I think) will be statless or as low-stat as I can make them. I'd just hate to regret anything the way I regret it with my bishop. My page has 6 base DEX and does good damage with really quite average equips (for a funded second character, anyway). The only trouble with making a dexless warrior now is getting to the level requirement of your gear, especially level 50. Then you can buy a Zhelm and it's smooth sailing.
I compared my sword page to my friend's sword fighter, which had 30 DEX or so, and it seemed like I did about 20% more damage with about the same funding. To me, that's a good deal. It's like I invested in the time and trouble to get through the first job advance with 6 DEX, and it'll keep paying dividends for the life of my character.
Hi dex/str/luk-that big of a deal? - Mark - 2009-06-08
I'm somewhat of a damage whore. I like seeing big numbers, but I don't flaunt my stuff or make a big deal out of it. Hence why my Bucc has 20 base Dex.