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[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Sorien - 2011-04-14
Jon Wrote:I kinda skipped the last page or two but OMG I/L CHANGES YUMMMMmm.
You didn't miss anything from the pages you skipped. It was just a long winded argument about multi-hit vs. single-hit.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - IllegallySane - 2011-04-14
octopusprime Wrote:it was a bad metaphor.
machine vs sniper rifle, there it's been fixed. wrap your head around simple concepts please.
I was going to use a sniper rifle as an analogy, but even for that I knew there would be arguments such as who the hell would use a sniper rifle at the range one uses a machine gun. Aka we'd end up arguing about distance issues instead. Lose lose either way. I felt the shotgun analogy was closest because it's pulling the trigger and shooting ONCE, and that both guns are acceptable to use at a close distance. Little did I expect people to nitpick at smaller details like the fact a shotgun shell is filled with loads of pellets. >_>
ANYWAY BACK ON TOPIC. Arcane Aim, how will it work? How many hits does it take to reach that 40% boost? I feel this will be what will make Mages acceptable tier as long as this is implemented correctly. If it takes around 10 hits or so to reach the full boost then it screws Mages over at bosses that put up Damage Reflect/Stuns/etc, which is pretty much all end-game bosses.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - hadriel - 2011-04-14
5. 8% * 5. Our booster got buffed... CL is really fast now.
Hadriel
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Veneni - 2011-04-14
Nobody really mentioned the huge hp increase on level 100+ mobs.
Just a guess but... Wouldn't this mean they'll all get a party bonus effect? So instead of removing it from LHC, they're planning to further spread it?
After all it's just testserver, maybe they couldn't implement it on time.
IllegallySane Wrote:ANYWAY BACK ON TOPIC. Arcane Aim, how will it work? How many hits does it take to reach that 40% boost? I feel this will be what will make Mages acceptable tier as long as this is implemented correctly. If it takes around 10 hits or so to reach the full boost then it screws Mages over at bosses that put up Damage Reflect/Stuns/etc, which is pretty much all end-game bosses.My tweaked google translation is:
Description (attack of the monster's ERA will be able to ignore a certain level of the enemy continued to attack a target that applies to the damage of all attacks are rising. Damage probability is applied to the synergistic effect, up to 5 times can accumulate.)
Level readout (ERA # ignoreMobpdpR 20% of attacks ignore monsters, or attack an enemy 3 times for each and every attack 30% chance of 8% increased damage. Damage # 5 times the maximum synergy effect can be cumulative )
Avg 3.33 attacks to gain a 8% increase in attack, to get all 5 that's 16.66 attacks :I
But there's no mentioning about how long it takes till it disappears (never?) and if it can only effect one monster at a time or multiple :O
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Shidoshi - 2011-04-14
Veneni Wrote:Nobody really mentioned the huge hp increase on level 100+ mobs.
Just a guess but... Wouldn't this mean they'll all get a party bonus effect? So instead of removing it from LHC, they're planning to further spread it?
After all it's just testserver, maybe they couldn't implement it on time.
Monster Park, those are new mobs.
pineapple yeah, HEAVILY ARMORED HUMVEE!
This mage jump thingy sure helped me bump my post count.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Veneni - 2011-04-14
Shidoshi Wrote:Monster Park, those are new mobs.*sound of shattering hopes*
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Kevo - 2011-04-14
So with the new information in this patch, how good are Magicians compared to the other classes? Are Magicians worth making again?
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Shidoshi - 2011-04-14
Kevo Wrote:So with the new information in this patch, how good are Magicians compared to the other classes? Are Magicians worth making again?
I don't think anyone ever released a decent comparison for classes even for Chaos.
It's not really useful to compare mages after JUMP while they are still being tested on KMST, we have little information on how skills work and other classes haven't recieved their JUMP update yet.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Bribery - 2011-04-14
I like the direction they're taking with Arch Mages as pure attackers. They did a good job of differentiating the classes too. F/Ps are much more focused on DoT while I/Ls are now more focused on crowd control.
I still think Glacial Chain needs to be buffed. It's good but not for a 4th job skill, especially when compared to Mist Eruption. They should also give a higher Stance for Infinity since it has a cooldown.
Bishops still need a lot of work. I was hoping they would upgrade Holy Shield to block every status effect...but they removed it instead xD.
Does anyone know how the new Priest skill works? It's really confusing :f6:
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Kevo - 2011-04-14
Shidoshi Wrote:I don't think anyone ever released a decent comparison for classes even for Chaos.
It's not really useful to compare mages after JUMP while they are still being tested on KMST, we have little information on how skills work and other classes haven't recieved their JUMP update yet.
Oh, all right. I'm just curious because right now (in GMS), Magicians seem to be pretty bad or perhaps that's just my own misinformed opinion.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - iamflip - 2011-04-14
Being the healing class that I am, I had to take a look at my skills. And this is what I have to say...
Quote:Heal:LOL HAX. I love this change.
Changed - Max level (30 --> 20)
Changed - damage (280 --> 350)
Quote:Elemental Resistance:Why the heck did Elemental Resistance get removed? I thought it was immensely helpful. -.-; Anyone got a clue about the skill that replaced it?
Removed skill
Quote:Holy Symbol:While it's nice that HS got its duration and range extended, it leaves something to be desired for me. I'd still love if it could give a boost to our own EXP from the rest of the party. :/
...
Changed - Hitbox (300% --> 350%)
Changed - mpCon (80 --> 300)
Changed - time (120 --> 180)
Quote:Shining Ray:At first, I was amazed by the delay decrease, but then I also see the damage reduction... What the hell? That is a horrible trade-off. I do like the new animation change though.
...
Changed - Delay (1050 ms --> 900 ms)
Changed - mpCon (50 --> 57)
Changed - damage (580 --> 200)
Quote:Master Magic:I was gonna be mad about buff mastery going away, but google translating this has me somewhat relieved. Does this mean that instead of a m.atk boost, we get a useless Speed boost?
New skill
New - Name (마스터 매직
New - Description (영구적으로 마력이 증가한다. 또한 스킬 사용 시 자신에게 적용되는 모든 버프의 지속시간이 증가한다.\n스킬 사용 시 효과가 활성화되고 재사용 시 비활성화되는 #c온오프 스킬#)
Quote:Big BangYay BB is more useful now. Kinda.
...
Changed - damage (290 --> 305)
Changed - mobCount (6 --> 10)
Quote:Advanced Bless:...wait, I don't remember ever seeing this before. O.O Is this also a new skill or something? I can't tell due to it not being declared as such. It appears to be an.. advanced Bless skill alright.
Changed - Name (홀리 실드 --> 어드밴스드 블레스
Changed - Description (일정 시간동안 파티원의 상태 이상을 막아주는 버프를 시전한다. 또한 영구적으로 자신의 상태이상 내성이 증가한다.[재사용 대기시간 : 140초] --> 일정 시간동안 주변 파티원들의 공격력, 마력, 방어력, 명중치, 회피치, 최대 HP, 최대 MP를 크게 높여준다. 블레스를 제외한 다른 모든 버프 스킬과 중복으로 사용할 수 있다.\n필요 스킬 : #c블레스 15레벨 이상#)
Overall... I don't know. This somehow feels like we got shafted, and it depresses me. I am waiting on what is up with the new skills, but otherwise... it just feels like we got nerfed on stuff we needed and buffed on stuff we hardly cared for.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Bribery - 2011-04-14
^ Shining Ray hits 3 times now so it was actually boosted in damage AND speed.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - steveg89 - 2011-04-14
Pretty letdown. We got multihit but we'll still be useless at any boss that matters since they didn't help us with our dispel issue. Not to mention damage increases were pretty lame.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Shidoshi - 2011-04-14
iamflip Wrote:*wall*
Check here, some of the things on this thread are a bit confusing as to what got removed and added.
I liked how all 3 magicians in 4th job got a new thematic skill (and the F/P one is the coolest one =D), also how Big Bang got a little more differentiated.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Yorckie - 2011-04-14
Finally some Bishop love! Love EVERY change. At least, I'm happy with my damn beloved job.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - iamflip - 2011-04-14
Bribery Wrote:^ Shining Ray hits 3 times now so it was actually boosted in damage AND speed.
... wat.
So wait. 200% damage every hit for 3 hits? LOL I take back what I said about SR.
Might as well have SR be our own Soul Driver. xd
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Grey - 2011-04-14
Bribery Wrote:Does anyone know how the new Priest skill works? It's really confusing :f6:
It's like Divine Shield, but it's a party skill, and it guards 10 times before disappearing, or until the buff ends, which ever comes sooner.
Spoiler
![[Image: maple0152.jpg]](http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/639/maple0152.jpg)
The face isn't part of the skill, that's some potential I have on the hat.
Oh, and it has the same casting animation as Holy Shield.
Oh, and it guards against magic attacks too, I think, whatever that acorn spitting skill Rashes do is.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Panacea - 2011-04-14
I feel like a little kid on Christmas.
Bishop changes are amazing.
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Shidoshi - 2011-04-14
That priest skill + armor that gives +2 seconds invincibility = perfect invincibility 100% of the time (or just have 2-3 priests together).
[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump - Yorckie - 2011-04-14
iAmFear Wrote:It's like Divine Shield, but it's a party skill, and it guards 10 times before disappearing, or until the buff ends, which ever comes sooner.
Spoiler
The face isn't part of the skill, that's some potential I have on the hat.
Oh, and it has the same casting animation as Holy Shield.
Oh, and it guards against magic attacks too, I think, whatever that acorn spitting skill Rashes do is.
Yizaz Kraist! That's quite an improvement.
May you please try if Dispel cancels Stun now? It's worth a try.