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Ask a Bowman Thread. - Retalion - 2008-07-24
Worthyness Wrote:Would it be better for me to level hawk to 21 and then start on something else like puppet?
Or would it be better for me to get hawk to 29 and then work on others?
Off topic: Gratz to Dolob on first level 200 archer =P
Depends where you train. Doing middle of jnewties, you will NEVER need puppet. In that case, get hawk to 29. 21 hawk is good enough for most (95% stun) and working on puppet wont hurt. THat being said, if you're training in areas where puppet is of no use, you might as well get hawk first and then go back to puppet.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Celsious - 2008-07-28
:x Do we really live at newties till 200? F4
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Beaner - 2008-07-28
Celsious Wrote::x Do we really live at newties till 200? F4
as soon as you can take a hit from skeles you can go there. since i was 150 when 4th came out i never really been to newtys other than sporadically, but i must say if you go all out at newtys the exp is close the skeles with a much higher pot cost.
you need about 3.5k hp for skeles btw.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Celsious - 2008-07-28
XBish Wrote:as soon as you can take a hit from skeles you can go there. since i was 150 when 4th came out i never really been to newtys other than sporadically, but i must say if you go all out at newtys the exp is close the skeles with a much higher pot cost.
you need about 3.5k hp for skeles btw.
I was thinking we could skele and all, it's just the pot input would be more + I've heard from a friend that he gets about .50% more per hour at Newts. He's about a16x BM.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Itay - 2008-07-28
XBish Wrote:but i must say if you go all out at newtys the exp is close the skeles with a much higher pot cost.
How exactly does newtie burn more pot than Skele? If I didnt read wrong that is.
Edit; Skele with bishop will not match to any exp in GMS. Not even close to newtie, Sadly.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Beaner - 2008-07-28
Itay Wrote:How exactly does newtie burn more pot than Skele? If I didnt read wrong that is.
Edit; Skele with bishop will not match to any exp in GMS. Not even close to newtie, Sadly.
newtys cost a lot more mesos if you actually go all out and kill the whole lane istea dof sniping 2-3 newtys. you would stand in the middle of the lane and kill >> and << while pretty much getting hit constantly. sniping is fine if you are 130 or lower but for higer levels you want to kill every newty for the best exp.
i am not sure what your second statement means, but i figure it means that the exp at skeles with a bishop is the best possible, that is true.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Retalion - 2008-07-28
XBish Wrote:newtys cost a lot more mesos if you actually go all out and kill the whole lane istea dof sniping 2-3 newtys. you would stand in the middle of the lane and kill >> and << while pretty much getting hit constantly. sniping is fine if you are 130 or lower but for higer levels you want to kill every newty for the best exp.
i am not sure what your second statement means, but i figure it means that the exp at skeles with a bishop is the best possible, that is true.
I personally find skeles burn fewer pots just because their attacks arent auto-target. I can dodge most skele attacks but I cant dodge the transformed newtie ones (least not very well). Also, I use a hb mule at skeles so that might be the difference in pot consumption and whatnot.
I think his 2nd statement is saying that despite the higher pot burn and slower exp rates, why do people train at newties over skeles.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Beaner - 2008-07-28
simple, they are followers. someone said ages ago that newtys was the best place for bowmen to SOLO and from there it grew to only place for bowmen to train. i am guessing its also that skeles is scary with their high damage and evil bishops ksing everyone.
i ve gone for an hour with 20 pots at skele, only way to do this at newtysis sniping the middle platform.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Retalion - 2008-07-28
XBish Wrote:simple, they are followers. someone said ages ago that newtys was the best place for bowmen to SOLO and from there it grew to only place for bowmen to train. i am guessing its also that skeles is scary with their high damage and evil bishops ksing everyone.
i ve gone for an hour with 20 pots at skele, only way to do this at newtysis sniping the middle platform.
Yeah, Ive noticed that too. Skeles are better exp, yet newtie maps are always full and skele maps are obtainable at some times that arent too peak (newties in Scania are filled 24/7 to what I remember). In Scania, you're more likely to be ksed out of your newtie map than you are your skele map though.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Itay - 2008-07-29
I seriously dont know what to do. I don't have nx and I'll never have nx, which means I'll never get to hp wash. I want to go with Truemarks idea and add hp from 130-140... but I'm afraid I'll regret it since it will stay there forever. With my calculations by 140 I'll have around 4.4k hp which is enough for horntail with hp equips. I'll be able to skele and solo pap as well. What to do? It will affect my damage... around 300 in range..
Ask a Bowman Thread. - B0WJOB - 2008-07-30
Itay Wrote:I seriously dont know what to do. I don't have nx and I'll never have nx, which means I'll never get to hp wash. I want to go with Truemarks idea and add hp from 130-140... but I'm afraid I'll regret it since it will stay there forever. With my calculations by 140 I'll have around 4.4k hp which is enough for horntail with hp equips. I'll be able to skele and solo pap as well. What to do? It will affect my damage... around 300 in range..[COLOR="SeaGreen"]
on this private server i played, i had a 109 att Neschere while a friend of mine has a 118 att Neschere. we are both crossbowman here (want to try the other archer class).
turned out that i out leveld him and eventually is the #1 sniper in my server
300 range is a big no-no for stat......maniacs.
but to me, yes, 300 range can be made up by a little extra hard work.[/COLOR]
i trained harder, i spent more time and such.
If I were you, I would ask myself "at what level do I want to horntail?"
i think the question is do you want to go horntail at lvl 140
or do you want to wait till you get higher level, so you will put less AP into HP?
just my quick thoughts.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Retalion - 2008-07-31
B0WJOB Wrote:[COLOR="SeaGreen"]
on this private server i played, i had a 109 att Neschere while a friend of mine has a 118 att Neschere. we are both crossbowman here (want to try the other archer class).
turned out that i out leveld him and eventually is the #1 sniper in my server
300 range is a big no-no for stat......maniacs.
but to me, yes, 300 range can be made up by a little extra hard work.[/COLOR]
i trained harder, i spent more time and such.
If I were you, I would ask myself "at what level do I want to horntail?"
i think the question is do you want to go horntail at lvl 140
or do you want to wait till you get higher level, so you will put less AP into HP?
just my quick thoughts.
Josh, there's a difference though. Your FMS has like what? 30x exp? 50x? If it takes 90 hours to level, it would take you 3 in FMS, which is a drastic difference. I would say that leveling isnt that easy on GMS, especially since you dont have nx for 2x exp (and if you did, you'd probably rather use it on ap resets than 2x).
As for what to do, I really dont know. Its your call. I dont care about HT so I'd go with more dex but that's just me.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Chameleonic - 2008-08-01
lol Anyone give me some suggestions?
I still have 12 unused SP and cant decide what to put them in. I still cant decide if I want to put them in Snipe(5), FP(5), Pierce(21) or wait till I get MW(9) 20.
I really wish I was lv 175 or something so I didnt have to worry about it...
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Beaner - 2008-08-01
Chameleonic Wrote:lol Anyone give me some suggestions?
I still have 12 unused SP and cant decide what to put them in. I still cant decide if I want to put them in Snipe(5), FP(5), Pierce(21) or wait till I get MW(9) 20.
I really wish I was lv 175 or something so I didnt have to worry about it...
it depends on what you do in maple. you train at skeles? (you have the hp) then i would go for pierce, even more if i was at peak soloing or something most of the time. if you like to anego and boss, then snipe is a much better option than pierce. sure MW 20 is awesome, but you dont have the HP to HT and frankly for what i seen you post here and sleepy you dont seem like the kind of person that would dish out 200+mill for a book (No insult intended, i wouldnt do it either).
most deff though id say ignore FP, lv 1 was more than enough for me till lv 174, i barely started putting points in it and i dont regret it. 1 sec freeze is all i need.
also is your db 21 or 11 at least? if you decide to pump pierce remember to get at least lv 11 db for mobbing otherwise its useless.
personally, and this is all just what i like the most i would max pierce then work on snipe. i love pierce though and i use it all the time, it is a very nice skill and very useful now that the cap is relatively safe.
sidenote: i remember a year ago i looked at the posts in sw and ranks and i drooled over you and your insights. good to see old school MM still around (even if the slightly emo, but aint we all).
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Chameleonic - 2008-08-01
I think I messed up by putting 5 SP each in FP and Snipe and DB. I dont feel like using 100k NX to reset some of them.
Most of the time I'm soloing Cornians looking for FP 20 and accumulating NX(I reckon I'll make 1000k NX there before I find FP 20
). Lately I've been going to Anego with a couple of Guildies, the exp is surprisingly good(well after Cornians anyway! lol)Yeah I got to Rank 5 Archer at one point...then came 4th Job Bishops and their godly leech exp, of which I get nil. Slightly Emo is the way of the Crossbow. lol...I'm not that bad anymore am I? I've tried not to be.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Beaner - 2008-08-01
i dont spend time at cornians except when doing the HT quest, so i really cant tell what would work better there. however for anego snipe is the way to go. you are in bera though so i doubt anegos are plenty and always there.
personally i would compromise, if you feel cornians is fine with lv 21 pierce, work on snipe. i left pierce at 21 until i maxed snipe. of course that was simple cause i couldnt even fully chage lv 21 pierce.
and i feel the bishop pain, if i get 1 party a month with a bishop i feel lucky. i am pretty much bound to spliting maps with lower lv NLs or bowmen that also get no bishop love. but hey its fun being the emo uderdog anyways i am also proud of getting to where i am with almost no bishop/priest help. sure it took 2ce as long as others, but its all about the ride, not the destination.
(B> fp 20
)
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Worthyness - 2008-08-01
What is the approximate amount of hp to solo the following:
Pianus(left)
Pianus(Right)
Papu
all necessary exploding instruments from the above mentioned bosses
Thanks in advance =)
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Retalion - 2008-08-01
Worthyness Wrote:What is the approximate amount of hp to solo the following:
Pianus(left)
Pianus(Right)
Papu
all necessary exploding instruments from the above mentioned bosses
Thanks in advance =)
Ive never solo'd any of them but I can provide numbers from what I've seen:
Left Pianus:Approx 3.5k hp. Note that it seals, dispels, etc. so you'll need all cures and an hb mule might not be very practical.
Right Pianus: 4.5k hp. Doesnt do any of the above so you just need pots. Basically, it does more dmg in exchange for not sealing/dispeling (however, it still does dispel if someone is in the body).
Papulatus: We have a thread about it below for people who dont have enough hp. You can look there. However, you need roughly 3.6-3.7k hp (depending on def) to take a bomb hit (body hit = 3.2ish). If the bomb powers up or blows up cause you did 5000-9999, then you're screwed either way. Most bowmasters that solo puppet >>> and then push pap with Hurricane <<< so that it doesnt attack (as puppet is too far away) and puppet is definitely needed for 2nd body.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - KaidaTan - 2008-08-01
Er, Jack, are you using numbers with a HT pendant? Because when you only have a zhelm, you need 3.6k HP for left Pianus, 4.9k for right Pianus, and 4.05k for Pap bombs.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Retalion - 2008-08-01
KaidaTan Wrote:Er, Jack, are you using numbers with a HT pendant? Because when you only have a zhelm, you need 3.6k HP for left Pianus, 4.9k for right Pianus, and 4.05k for Pap bombs.
I dont have an HT pendant and Ive never seen bombs hit more than 3.7k (everyone keeps telling me bombs do 4k but Ive never seen anything higher than 37xx). As well, I was always told I only need 3.5 for left and 4.5 for right... I dont fish much so perhaps the people telling me were wrong but Im positive bombs have never hit close to 4k on me (When I go in with hb, bless, etc.).