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The leveling just got worse... - Eos - 2010-12-13
Tigeon Wrote:Not that I am arguing about you about that people over 100 are the minority (because i really do believe it) but I doubt it would be 95% due to several factors.And lo' the facts once again support me that 95% is in fact an under-guess since the ranks of each world begin repeating ranks well into it.
| WorldID | WorldName | 100+ | Ranks show at least | Ratio | URL |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | Scania | 28312 | 999991 | 3% | Proof |
| 1 | Bera | 20937 | 999989 | 2% | Proof |
| 2 | Broa | 16411 | 999932 | 2% | Proof |
| 3 | Windia | 19315 | 998436 | 2% | Proof |
| 4 | Khaini | 12588 | 999971 | 1% | Proof |
| 5 | Bellocan | 9540 | 498534 | 2% | Proof |
| 6 | Mardia | 7470 | 499984 | 1% | Proof |
| 7 | Kradia | 4770 | 299989 | 2% | Proof |
| 8 | Yellonde | 2425 | 199997 | 1% | Proof |
| 9 | Demethos | 3276 | 199995 | 2% | Proof |
| 10 | Galicia | 2911 | 299986 | 1% | Proof |
| 11 | Zenith | 38 | 19999 | 0% | Proof |
| 12 | ElNido | 82 | 40998 | 0% | Proof |
| Overall | 128075 | 7057801 | 2% |
The leveling just got worse... - Stereo - 2010-12-13
Not sure what method you use, but the ranks I see are.
| WorldID | Ranks show |
|---|---|
| 0 | 2678003 |
| 1 | 2122996 |
| 2 | 1663226 |
| 3 | 1932277 |
| 4 | 1242857 |
Note these are all ranks of "level 8 @ 0 exp" magicians, and the actual total ranking is ~5 to 10000 higher in each case because all 5000 such magicians rank the same.
They all correspond very closely to 1%... (1.057%, 0.986%, 0.987%, 0.9996%, 1.013%)
The leveling just got worse... - Eos - 2010-12-13
Stereo Wrote:Not sure what method you use, but the ranks I see are.
The URLs are in the table. Didn't need the exact numbers, it's clear from where I stopped that the 95% was met or exceeded.
The leveling just got worse... - Stereo - 2010-12-13
More accurate to say 99% though
and I am a fan of accuracy.
The leveling just got worse... - Eos - 2010-12-13
Stereo Wrote:More accurate to say 99% though
The point was 'at least 95%' and that was what was being contested. The fact it's even higher doesn't change the 'at least', it just met the qualifications.
The leveling just got worse... - modular - 2010-12-13
arguing for the sake of arguing
The leveling just got worse... - QSCX - 2010-12-13
modular Wrote:arguing for the sake of arguing
That's exactly what I see.
To Heroes without Power Stance yet: can you guys test the exp in El Nath PQ? I remember when I first got 4th job, I trained in El Nath PQ and was getting 20-25% an hour on 1x from levels 121 to 128. The Crimson Balrogs in there gave huge amounts of EXP relative to their HP. Right now, Fiel's chart of mob stats shows that the Crimson Balrogs in there give 5k exp for only 50k HP, which is way better than Gallos. Unfortunately for me, I decided to finsih the Power Stance quest and cannot enter the PQ anymore without being in a party of a Power Stance-less Hero.
The leveling just got worse... - cronnoponno - 2010-12-13
DustBunny Wrote:Explain too me, while you're not making out with herb for a sec, why we don't deserve easeier training when it takes, currently, nearly 20-25 hours to get one level.
Um, did I say higher levels don't deserve new training spots? I said that all arguements on this matter are completely useless until LHC comes out. IF that does NOT help training for levels 140+(or whatever range is suitable for LHC) then I would lean more towards their side in the arguement. Half of these high level players seem to ignore the fact that, low levels were neglected when Maplestory was starting out. There wasn't crap for areas to train and players were far more elitist than they were today, within the years they have added more low-level content to where it became the norm, do you know how BS it was to get a level 120 character back then?
I'm sorry, but to every elitist player out there you need to read this:
No one cares about your hypocritically selfish ideas but yourselfs, you people act as if you're a serious part of Maplestory. But 80% of the high leveled, self-righteous players barely even contribute money towards Nexon(There are many high level players that refused to buy 2x cards when they came out because they wanted to wave their e-peens around a lot more), whereas casual players actually supported the server(albeit, to satisfy their own greed) and populated it. While it's true that most of you guys probably buy nx here and there, you can't even compare to the amount that random dexless sintards will be pouring just to see their damage go up to insanely high amounts.
You people are the minority of Maplestory, and your ideals are only valueble when one of your own kind listens to them. I understand that you guys would like higher leveled content. I support higher level content myself because it gives a reason to level, but that doesn't mean that the lower levels deserve to lack in content just so the higher levels can ejaculate at the fact that they spend more time playing and have more of a posistion of power in Maplestory. Some of you guys should really listen to yourselfs, you're trying to force your opinions of how Maplestory should be enjoyed through your own voice just as the casual players themselves do, only the casual players know they're the majority. YOU guys on the other hand, are constantly justifying it and even making it seem like some sort of Noble resistance against the higher populated lowbies, this is a pineappling game, not some political nation where the elitist aristrocrats get pissed off at the peasants for being able to uprise them.
Are you guys ignoring the fact that they made a new 140+ area, and with the update of chaos they're making a pineappling 160+ area?!? This does NOT mean Nexon is entitled to make them suitable training grounds, if big bang had as much of an impact on the level 140+'s you'd all be level 200 by next week, then you'd be whining about how everyone and their mom is level 200. You are also ignoring the fact that GMS has a much higher damage potential than KMS does(This is the fault of the Elitist community as well, American gaming companies believe their players are more Compettetive while they believe Asian players care more about Fashion, although this isn't just Maplestory, this is the perspective of most gaming companies, which many will actually admit to the players)
You guys need to make a choice and stop acting like bad girlfriends, do you want easier leveling? Do you want to feel more accompolished leveling? If you chose answer A, SHUT UP about hating on the mass of Maplestory, you're no effing different and you're refusing to see this. Did you choose answer B? Then you shouldn't be making threads whining about answer A, it just doesn't work. Most of the people on this thread(Jamie is the biggest one who has done this) has been twisting their own ideals of elitism to be more for their convenience, and they're just ranting at the fact that the lower leveled communites are winning.
If you players were to suddenly dissapear, Nexon wouldn't care. Do not take this as a means to strengthen your own beliefs, I am not complimenting you guys as ''unique'' and ''special'', you are not ''accompolished'' and you are not ''hard workers''. You are deluded and stuck up on your own ideals that you yourselfs don't realize it and break your own taboo's.
This is not directed at some people in this thread. Some people have simply wanted more content, which is understandable, Nexon has recently been lacking in High Level content, and I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong for this.
However, an eye for an eye. You guys are, truely more powerful than us lower levels, and this game should keep it's freedom even if that means burderning someone else. If you guys feel the need to band up together and KS every low leveled character you see, feel free to do so, I hope you are happy about it. In fact, people have already started DB ksing raids hunting out and KSING any DB they find because they ''ruin the game for everyone'', you guys could make a more formiddable force that could rival that of a trolling community and make yourselfs known, I am not saying the lower levels are absoloute and should have their way. But they obviously overpower you guys at the moment, and hearing you all complain like an old man complaining about everything young people do these days just proves that they're winning. Honestly guys, I rarely ever meet ''noobs'' who are half as annoying as this, I'd rather put up with a level 150 dexless Sin ksing me going ''lOL UR DAMAGE IS LOW, LOL YOU PLAY ALL DAY U HAV NO LIEF LOL, NUB I HAV GIRLFRIEND THAT MEAN I BETTER THAN U''.
Can you guys just simply wait till LHC comes out, or even wait till Chaos comes out before you start getting angry that you are in the wrong? You guys do speak some truths about the ugly side of the lower-leveled community, some of us are lazy, half-witted idiots who just want the next best thing and are willing to abandon it within a week, and a lot of us are in serious need of grammatical lessons, as well as educations. A lot of us do need to grow a pair and come back to gaming after a few years. Yes, you guys are portraying the bulk of the lowbies, but there are some really nice lowbies out there and you guys are also trying to ''convert'' them into your iron fist your types have polluted gaming with for years. My post itself only portrays the bulk of high leveled players. Many higher leveled players are a lot better than this, do not confuse yourself with someone who doesn't contribute simply because you're a high level, again, you should know if I am referencing you provided you read this.
The leveling just got worse... - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2010-12-13
I think we are eventually going to need a full level 180+ training area with monsters near 1mil+ HP offering 35k or higher ranges of EXP per kill, and other areas 160 ~ 180 as well that offer at least 15k EXP minimum to truly balance the curve out.
If you actually look at the old EXP curve prior to BB and then the EXP curve after BB, the curve prior to BB is a more gentle one than after BB for the last 33%.
The only hope I'm having for post-BB MapleStory is the Road the the Future areas from the Chaos expansion. Unless those areas are truly 160+ or better and have good amounts of EXP, they won't be worth even bothering with except for questing, and with Nexon's track record... I'm leaving the glass of hope only half full.
The leveling just got worse... - Stereo - 2010-12-13
QSCX Wrote:That's exactly what I see.
To Heroes without Power Stance yet: can you guys test the exp in El Nath PQ? I remember when I first got 4th job, I trained in El Nath PQ and was getting 20-25% an hour on 1x from levels 121 to 128. The Crimson Balrogs in there gave huge amounts of EXP relative to their HP. Right now, Fiel's chart of mob stats shows that the Crimson Balrogs in there give 5k exp for only 50k HP, which is way better than Gallos. Unfortunately for me, I decided to finsih the Power Stance quest and cannot enter the PQ anymore without being in a party of a Power Stance-less Hero.
I'd have to log on my DrK to check for sure, but I think Stance is an auto skill now, no more quest, no more PQ.
The leveling just got worse... - SwordStaker - 2010-12-13
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:I think we are eventually going to need a full level 180+ training area with monsters near 1mil+ HP offering 35k or higher ranges of EXP per kill, and other areas 160 ~ 180 as well that offer at least 15k EXP minimum to truly balance the curve out.You are so pessimistic and so unwilling to wait and see what comes it's almost depressing. Your already saying something sucks without it even being here yet.
If you actually look at the old EXP curve prior to BB and then the EXP curve after BB, the curve prior to BB is a more gentle one than after BB for the last 33%.
The only hope I'm having for post-BB MapleStory is the Road the the Future areas from the Chaos expansion. Unless those areas are truly 160+ or better and have good amounts of EXP, they won't be worth even bothering with except for questing, and with Nexon's track record... I'm leaving the glass of hope only half full.
The leveling just got worse... - octopusprime - 2010-12-13
rayhovite Wrote:sure would like the bossing damage to go with that
you uh... pretty much have that.
The leveling just got worse... - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2010-12-13
You see what goes on in KMS, apply it to GMS, and fairly much it won't be going far... here's why...
The difference in KMS and GMS is, people in GMS are more inclined to not help each other out, whereas different cultures like KMS have different views and are probably more inclined to do so.
It's more or less collectivism versus independence. And for GMS you will find people more inclined to the independent ranks than those of collectivism.
The leveling just got worse... - cronnoponno - 2010-12-14
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:You see what goes on in KMS, apply it to GMS, and fairly much it won't be going far... here's why...
The difference in KMS and GMS is, people in GMS are more inclined to not help each other out, whereas different cultures like KMS have different views and are probably more inclined to do so.
It's more or less collectivism versus independence. And for GMS you will find people more inclined to the independent ranks than those of collectivism.
I have played KMS, and while there are really nice people, the community sucks pretty bad, ESPECIALLY if you're an English speaking female, GOOD LUCK with that haha.
The leveling just got worse... - Plasmablaster - 2010-12-14
Stereo Wrote:I'd have to log on my DrK to check for sure, but I think Stance is an auto skill now, no more quest, no more PQ.
I can confirm this, as before the patch I held off on getting Stance (And thought that maybe the need for Infinity would get me some business), but after patch and logging in I had the skill and no more quest in window anymore.