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[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Takebacker - 2010-07-07
holyforest Wrote:Still nothing to fix AR yet? Aww, oh well...
What is there to fix?
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - iamflip - 2010-07-07
Takebacker Wrote:What is there to fix?
If I'm correct, AR's range is still... really bad. lol.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Hazzy - 2010-07-07
iamflip Wrote:If I'm correct, AR's range is still... really bad. lol.
I thought that point-blank range was the splash damage.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Rob - 2010-07-07
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Hazzy Wrote:I thought that point-blank range was the splash damage.
I was under the impression that was already proved with a video. [/color]
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - LordDamien - 2010-07-07
Hazzy Wrote:I thought that point-blank range was the splash damage.
I'm sure every bishop hopes so, the problem is we've yet to SEE the dam skill in action so there's yet no proof that it works that way unfortunately
Rob Wrote: [color="#000080"]
I was under the impression that was already proved with a video. [/color]
if that video you're referring to is that of the 123 bishop at phantom watches he uses HOLY ARROW in that video, not angel ray. If you're talking about an actual AR video then please post it so we can finally see ^^
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - holyforest - 2010-07-07
iamflip Wrote:If I'm correct, AR's range is still... really bad. lol.
More like atrocious, but whatever....It'd be really nice if they did fix it a bit though...
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - vx-2 - 2010-07-07
Random_Overlord Wrote:When you really think about the bowman updates, you realise, sure some of the things they added were crap. *Cough*Phoenix stun*cough*
But we never really got anything nerfed in anyway did we?
Hmmm... Bow Mastery/ Bow Expert? Give me 90% bow mastery anyday, i'll be way happier than getting skills like vengeance and pointless phoenix stun.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - iamflip - 2010-07-07
Well, when the patch goes live in... an hour 30 to 2 hours from now, I'll try to get a Bishop up on KMS. It'll be good to start back from the beginning to see how fast the training gets.
Besides... I have no funding anyway there. And I dunno if I can ask someone from EllinForest guild. ;;
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Rob - 2010-07-07
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LordDamien Wrote:if that video you're referring to is that of the 123 bishop at phantom watches he uses HOLY ARROW in that video, not angel ray. If you're talking about an actual AR video then please post it so we can finally see ^^
Nevermind, it was Holy Arrow. Move on. Thanks for slapping me and realizing. [/color]
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - FanaticRat - 2010-07-07
Serious what the eff at Corsairs. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love my sair to death, but really Nexon? We already were pretty good, did we need a 45% inherent 5-hit critting cannon with 30 second ship cooldown and 15% increase in damage every so often? Hell I would have been fine if they had just given us the reduced ship cooldown. Ship attack canceling Apples may suck especially since you can't just apple after using ship like you can with ST since you mount and dismount it constantly, but I'd rather they'd just remove the ATT bonus instead of making it a "smart buff" or whatever it's called.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - LordDamien - 2010-07-07
iamflip Wrote:Well, when the patch goes live in... an hour 30 to 2 hours from now, I'll try to get a Bishop up on KMS. It'll be good to start back from the beginning to see how fast the training gets.
Besides... I have no funding anyway there. And I dunno if I can ask someone from EllinForest guild. ;;
That would be great ^^ I'm sure after this goes live there's a good chance some videos with AR might surface finally since there's most likely tons of bishops on the official servers.
Rob Wrote: [color="#000080"]
Nevermind, it was Holy Arrow. Move on. Thanks for slapping me and realizing. [/color]
You're not the first to make that mistake lol. I guess genesis' popularity overshadowed bishops' other skills so much most ppl didn't care what the hell AR was in the first place ;p
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - donovan - 2010-07-07
I want to see the new skill animations :S, not one Archmage video in all this time.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Yorckie - 2010-07-07
Courtesy of Spadow's Blog!:
Crusher:
![[Image: 1311001-charlevel-150-effect3-2.png?w=150&h=71]](http://spadow.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/1311001-charlevel-150-effect3-2.png?w=150&h=71)
![[Image: 1311001-charlevel-150-effect-0.png?w=158&h=189]](http://spadow.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/1311001-charlevel-150-effect-0.png?w=158&h=189)
Fury:
![[Image: 1311003-charlevel-150-afterimage-spear-s...=247&h=184]](http://spadow.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/1311003-charlevel-150-afterimage-spear-swingp1-2-0.png?w=247&h=184)
![[Image: 1311003-charlevel-150-effect0-1.png?w=161&h=139]](http://spadow.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/1311003-charlevel-150-effect0-1.png?w=161&h=139)
Berserk:
![[Image: 1320006-charlevel150-effect-2.gif?w=147&h=116]](http://spadow.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/1320006-charlevel150-effect-2.gif?w=147&h=116)
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - GodCanJudge - 2010-07-07
oh god those are sexy
brb making dk
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Dusk - 2010-07-07
GodCanJudge Wrote:>brave slash hits 3 targets
>magic attack =/= weapon attack
>enrage, combo critical (which is more effective since most hero attacks are multiple hits), combo attack etc. does some extra damage
besides, i think nexon actually did a pretty good job at balancing, all that matters now is how godly your equips are
How exactly is magic attack different than weapon attack? Thanks. My point was that they seem about on par with Heroes, not that they are better than them. So far I haven't seen any solid numbers that show that mages are have lower dps than other classes, only speculation that they will do so just because they are currently the weakest.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - GodCanJudge - 2010-07-07
it's impossible for magic attack to be the same as weapon attack, the highest clean att for a 2h sword is 112 att while the highest magic att possible for a staff is 178
so, with the % for mages now being much higher than warriors as well as the m.att, if magic att were the same as w att, mages would easily hit 500k per attack, which, is completely OP
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - kirayamato26 - 2010-07-07
JoeTang Wrote:Advanced Charge Blow was already overpowered to pineapple. I don't see what you're complaining about. This nerf affects nothing except third job since they raised Blast's damage to counter the change in fourth.
Old Blast: 1476.332% = 1757.5%/s
New Blast: 1633.8% = 1945%/s
OldOverpowered Mob SkillAdvanced Charge Blow: 984.8% = 1641.3%/s
NewOverpowered Mob SkillAdvanced Charge Blow: 881.6% = 1469.3%/s
It would be nice to see how you got those figures, because they are not making any sense no matter how I divide them out (except DPS figures, those make sense if the base % was right).
And the situation that those figures would apply would be nice to see, too.
Now, here are my calculations, the Dual Charging mechanism is the one that Stereo had proposed after experimentation, Dual Charging assumes that Dual Charging is still available:
.324:
Blast - 700%
ACB - 460%
Holy Charge - 145%
Lightning Charge - 130%
.326:
Blast - 3x280% = 840%
ACB - 460%
Holy Charge - 135%
Lightning Charge - 125%
Blast (Holy Charge only, Neutral):
.324 = 700% * 145% = 1015% = 1208.333...%/s
.326 = 840% * 135% = 1134% = 1350%/s
Blast (Dual Charging, Holy, Both Neutral):
.324 = 700% * (145% + 15%) = 1120% = 1333.333...%/s
.326 = 840% * (135% + 12.5%) = 1239% = 1475%/s
ACB (Holy Charge only, Neutral):
.324 = 460% * 145% = 667% = 1111.666...%/s
.326 = 460% * 135% = 621% = 1035%/s
ACB (Dual Charging, Holy, Both Neutral):
.324 = 460% * (145% + 15%) = 736% = 1226.666...%/s
.326 = 460% * (135% + 12.5%) = 678.5% = 1130.8333...%/s
In comparison, Heroes:
.326 (Assuming 10% for each orb) = 210% * 3 * 2.0 = 1260% = 1500%/s
.326 (Assuming 10% for the last 5 orbs) = 210% * 3 * 1.75 = 1102.5% = 1312.5%/s
It just makes Blast have a 23.333...% DPM advantage over ACB as compared to the 8% before, at normal 6, and make Paladins weaker when mobbing (compared to .324), but seeing as mobbing is what we usually do, the the decrease in mob DPH, and DPM, can prove be detrimental.
IMO, though, Blast should at least have 1.5x the DPM of ACB, since it is a single target skill after all.
Though, as I've stated, this isn't really my main concern.
My main concern is that...
BLAST SHOULD NOT HIT MORE THAN ONCE, WHAT KIND OF BLAST HITS SOMETHING 3 TIMES?
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - donovan - 2010-07-07
Yorckie Wrote:Courtesy of Spadow's Blog!:
Crusher:
Fury:
Berserk:
That's hawt.
Quote:”info.addition.critical.damage 10” was removed from the Adventurer’s Critical Ring. I don’t know why this was removed.
That's not hawt.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - holyforest - 2010-07-07
According to Spadow, the stun rate of Teleport Mastery was also increased...
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - aslemn - 2010-07-07
Ludibrium cape now gives 420 accuracy, and the aufheben circlet 400. And some people say that 20 slots is something overpowered...
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