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[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - Arroz - 2010-07-06
andyandythin Wrote:beginners seem pretty strong too imo
That'd be the day I see the golden tuna. To get it you have to do a series of quests and have a level 100 beginner. It has a 90% rate to ohko 1999 att, 777 accuracy 777 avoid 40/23 speed/jump and 10% to freeze, stun, darkness, etc.......
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - TugboatWilly - 2010-07-06
i wish someone would make a marksman in kmst. seeing these changes in action would be nice.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - kremechoko - 2010-07-06
TugboatWilly Wrote:i wish someone would make a marksman in kmst. seeing these changes in action would be nice.
Making a MM in KMST right now is pointless. I'm currently making a MM in KMS right now. We'll see how that turns out.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - fakeNoob - 2010-07-06
MM>>>BM. i wouldn't mind if BM somehow mob better but with MM being better 1v1 and mob it's kind of upsetting. but i guess we'll have to see how this hits KMS.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - Arroz - 2010-07-06
Okay taking bets that BM don't suck as you much think they do. Seriously 3 weeks and 4 threads later you're still arguing over who sucks/got shafted/nerfed more
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - Xaorath - 2010-07-06
Yes! Bless changed from 22 w.atk/m.atk to 15. Just what the Bishops need. Now everyone can yell at us when we bless over their ciders / wizard elixirs / medi while busting up Pap with our new and improved Angel Ray at point blank range! Unless we are at Horntail, then people can yell at us for blessing over their apples!
We can now enjoy two new styles of play! Hang on a rope and HS your party for 20% of the EXP everyone else is getting or get involved in the action and 1hko all the monsters with our super strong Shining Ray, which should be no problem after we all get 5000 m.atk with +80% int from the potential system with the new 1mil dmg cap!
When I get bored of playing my Bishop, I can hop onto my Night Lord, scrap 40bil worth of gear and start gearing up all over again with the new and improved item potential system! Get 80k dmg range and do 100k dmg per star, 101k if I Crit! Then after I have great damage, I can enjoy hitting LV.200 with a 5th of the effort it took my Bishop!
Those guys down at Nexon Korea really know how to balance a game! Can't wait to see MS3.0.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - Cheesecake - 2010-07-06
Maybe this is a pointless question, but isn't there a korean forum like sleepywood or sp where kms players are discussing KMST chnages? If so then can't we get more information about all these unanswered questions? D:
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - TugboatWilly - 2010-07-06
kremechoko Wrote:Making a MM in KMST right now is pointless. I'm currently making a MM in KMS right now. We'll see how that turns out.forgot the official server gets it soon.
keep us gms marksmen updated. 
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - Random_Overlord - 2010-07-06
Arroz Wrote:Okay taking bets that BM don't suck as you much think they do. Seriously 3 weeks and 4 threads later you're still arguing over who sucks/got shafted/nerfed more
It's waaaay unconfirmed, but it's said that BM's and Corsairs share the same Speed rates with Rapid fire and Hurricane.
If Hurricane has the speed with 300Milsecond Animation delay + 0.060Milsecond shot intervals, then thats gotta make BM's on par with MM's.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - Redemption21 - 2010-07-06
can someone give me some information on these questions i have somwhat an idea but not really sure
Has Arans been buffed or nerfed
Can I/L and F/P boss effective now?
Have Evans gotten stronger overall and can they effectively boss now?
Brave Slash is still stronger at 24 or what is it now?
with SP are shadowers stronger then Dual Bladers?
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - Takebacker - 2010-07-06
Redemption21 Wrote:can someone give me some information on these questions i have somwhat an idea but not really sure
Has Arans been buffed or nerfed
Can I/L and F/P boss effective now?
Have Evans gotten stronger overall and can they effectively boss now?
Brave Slash is still stronger at 24 or what is it now?
with SP are shadowers stronger then Dual Bladers?
Nerfed.
Sure.
Stronger, they always could.
Why does it even matter? It's stronger at max and that's all that matters.
Probably not.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - cronnoponno - 2010-07-06
A lot of these changes are cool and all, but half of these ''buffs'' seem to have a respective nerf that stops them from being at their full potential.
Like, why buff crusher, if you're just going to nerf other parts of it, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the buff, or at least make it not as great as it should be?
I'm....mad that my CL will only be able to hit 3 mobs, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
Also I think that 40 second HH is pretty lame. I thought it was cooler at 20 seconds.
This is getting confusing, I don't know if I should quit or not and I have no motivation to keep leveling until I see just how much these changes suck/kick ass.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - Shidoshi - 2010-07-06
cronnoponno Wrote:This is getting confusing, I don't know if I should quit or not and I have no motivation to keep leveling until I see just how much these changes suck/kick ass.
Right now I'm feeling somewhat strange, I don't know if I try and level fast before the changes or not level at all and wait for the changes so I can have fun in the new game (train at different mobs, get to enjoy the start of 4th job under a new light, etc).
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - fakeNoob - 2010-07-06
Shidoshi Wrote:Right now I'm feeling somewhat strange, I don't know if I try and level fast before the changes or not level at all and wait for the changes so I can have fun in the new game (train at different mobs, get to enjoy the start of 4th job under a new light, etc).
for mages i'd say get to 15x with ultimates while you have them so you have SP for when they get the 30sec cooldown, for other classes i'd still train but no rush. if i was already training before the news of the balance i would continue, if i wasn't i wouldn't.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - iamflip - 2010-07-06
Cheesecake Wrote:Maybe this is a pointless question, but isn't there a korean forum like sleepywood or sp where kms players are discussing KMST chnages? If so then can't we get more information about all these unanswered questions? D:
One place I can think of is Insoya.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - SwordStaker - 2010-07-06
Takebacker Wrote:Nerfed.So wait Takebacker your saying Evans have been buffed up? On a scale of 1-10 how much have they been changed or how well can they boss?>.> Sorry if I'm being jumpy about this but I REALLY love my Evan and how well they can boss and their just fun.
Sure.
Stronger, they always could.
Why does it even matter? It's stronger at max and that's all that matters.
Probably not.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - youngtse - 2010-07-06
Takebacker Wrote:Not much to talk about. Regular warriors got buffed to the heavens and arans got nerfed from the heavens. Plus, slash/stab advantage was removed which benefits regular warriors and only hurts arans. Much more balance now.
Now all the "LEGEND" (Aran/Evan) classes are officially the new Lol bossing class...2nd and 3rd worst single target DPM,
GG Nexon!
FrozNlite Wrote:Agreed, though it would be nice to have decreased summon attack delays and knowledge of whether or not our Demon + Summon combo still exists.
Also, echoing other posts in this thread about Aran single target DPS since it's just so enigmatic right now. Of all the current DPS kings I love Arans the most because they're durable, fluid, versatile, and can help out parties well. If they truly got nerfed to disgusting single target DPS then ;_;, time to quit the Aran AGAIN and start a Corsair. Lord knows Nexon loves their ninjas and pirates.
Actually I must say Aran does not get nerfed literally on his skills, its just the universal critical damage decrease hurt Aran a lot,
plus all other class got ridiculously buffed........
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - Hendrix - 2010-07-06
run gms mages, run !
i can see the changes on ETA classes already. maybe i am wrong or not, but i think Nexon made a bad move with all the changes, is not seem they tested enough the skills they were changing. if their goal was to balance the game, so far they failed.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - InfiniteFusion - 2010-07-06
youngtse Wrote:Now all the "LEGEND" (Aran/Evan) classes are officially the new Lol bossing class...2nd and 3rd worst single target DPM,
GG Nexon!
Where did you read that Arans are the 2nd worst DPM class? Their only major nerf was their critical, and every one else's critical was hit as well.
[1.2.324] (3) Last chance! - JoeTang - 2010-07-06
Takebacker Wrote:Why does it even matter? It's stronger at max and that's all that matters.
The only reason it would matter is if you intend to use Brave Slash to replace Brandish when you're actually using it. If it's literally not stronger than Brandish until it's actually maxed, that's 10 whole levels where you still have to use Brandish and you're not getting any stronger at all. Also, it means that when you do max it, you're not doing a significant change in damage since the first 29 levels were weaker and the scaling is so pomegranatety.
Prior to this change, Brave Slash was stronger than Brandish at level 9 @ 840ms. Now, it replaces Brandish at level 4. Had it stayed at 1020ms, it would require level 15 Brave Slash to replace Brandish.
This addressed half an issue, if this was what they were attempting to address at all; Fury is better DPS than Crusher, so Crusher should never be used. I believe that the damage modifiers for Spears and Polearms help balance the damage comparison to Crusaders and Knights, so it wasn't particularly too big of an issue at third job for balancing damage output, but rather the fourth job like they addressed later.
Crusher does approximately 542.4%/s @ 1050ms, including Judgement Dragon's bonus criticals and Final Attack
Fury used to do approximately 573.5%/s @ 810ms, including my estimate for criticals and including Final Attack
Fury now does 548.8%/s. It's still stronger than Crusher, just by a smaller margin, so there's no reason to use Crusher until 4th job, but apparently a valid reason to max it with the new changes to Berserk.
It just doesn't make sense that you have to get to Fourth Job to make a Third Job skill viable.
Given that Berserk does 1.6x damage (as opposed to +60% per hit which is significantly weaker than previous patches' 1.8x damage), Crusher now does 1123.0%/s compared to Fury's 878.1%/s, and Sacrifice's 1566.9%/s @ 750ms. Crusher is now viable on two and three mobs, and four or higher is used with Fury, but single target is still Sacrifice. I believe that Sacrifice's ability to completely ignore defense as well as Spear and Polearm's significantly higher modifier make Dark Knights very balanced compared to Heroes and Paladins in terms of single target damage, but Crusher and Fury's significantly lower damage compared to Brave Slash and Advanced Charge Blow make them less potent. What they really should be addressing is the low damage output of Crusher, either by boosting the damage even more, or by making it faster. I suppose what they felt was that Fury was a bit too powerful in Third Job but making it 5% weaker doesn't really change anything, and just leaves it weaker in Fourth Job.