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[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Takebacker - 2010-06-24
FYI: The brawler and thief advancements were fixed in KMST. Me and justin are now leveling a buccaneer faster than the north wind.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Baklava - 2010-06-24
Des Wrote:who cares if they are "manly", it has nothing to do
its a simple fact
can you hit something that stands 1.5-2 meter away from you using a fist and hitting air? NO
can you hit it using a weapon that makes your "hit" range bigger while holding it? PROBABLY YES
understand me now?
we cant hit top left zak arm or left ht head without timing our skills cause its too far while a buccaner has no problem using barrage on them...
boomerang step is way more efficient at bosses.
and assassinate was meant to be a close range death skill, like when a thief sneaks up behind you and slits your throat.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - donovan - 2010-06-24
Also +1 For the Evan boosts.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Arroz - 2010-06-24
am i missing something, where on earth does it say cb gets Flash jump?
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Nesso - 2010-06-24
It's nice to see Arans and Evans get a few buffs, and Corsairs getting 6 hit mobs back. I still don't get how Cannon works now, but whatever.
I don't like Shadower's SP. It seems like a lazy fix to good damage and everything. wtp@Avenger getting buffed again.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - donovan - 2010-06-24
Arroz Wrote:am i missing something, where on earth does it say cb gets Flash jump?
In the KOR Adv updates thread it does, I don't know if it says it in this thread.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Worthyness - 2010-06-24
yay lolaneers shant be lolaneers for much longer ^__^
KMS didn't forget the lol classes this time
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Baklava - 2010-06-24
Nesso Wrote:It's nice to see Arans and Evans get a few buffs, and Corsairs getting 6 hit mobs back. I still don't get how Cannon works now, but whatever.
I don't like Shadower's SP. It seems like a lazy fix to good damage and everything. wtp@Avenger getting buffed again.
Shadower's SP makes the most sense. They're goddamn SHADOWers. :l
Making them overpowered does not fix them, by the way.
Cannon is 5 hits of 280% now.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Abysseon - 2010-06-24
donovan Wrote:we obviously need some type of Freezing skill 2nd job as Ice/Lit Wizards, but in terms of usefulness Cold Beam is lacking.
Not to mention the lack of 4th job freezing skills... >.>
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Arroz - 2010-06-24
Abysseon Wrote:Not to mention the lack of 4th job freezing skills... >.>
ulti and summon don't count?
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - IllegallySane - 2010-06-24
Takebacker Wrote:FYI: The brawler and thief advancements were fixed in KMST. Me and justin are now leveling a buccaneer faster than the north wind.
Please report everything. EVERYTHING. Report HP/level hell MP/level, CSB's state, but most importantly their damage/training speed. Make sure if Barrage still has nodelay after this buff. See how much stronger Counter Attack has made Buccaneers. Go kill a Griffey/Manon as a DPS test. I want to see to it lolaneers are awesome like Luffy/Kenshiro as I'm predicting they are to be.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - iFrancisco - 2010-06-24
Dang, I really was not expecting that big of a change from the previous patch.
Current:
BS = 500% x 2 = 1000%
Assassinate = 600% x 3 +735% = 2535%
KMST:
BS = 390% x 2.8 = 1092%
Assassinate = 610% x 4.2 + 745% x 1.4 = 3605%
=> 37% DPS increase, roughly, on the Assassinate+4th+BS combo. Old: 1310%/sec, new: 1794%/sec based on 240ms DS.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Des - 2010-06-24
have you played shadower? every high lvl shadower will tell you that assasinate is our main bossing skill not bs also as i said before it does not have sens when someone can hit something thats far away with bare fist and someone using a weapon cant even tho its a "sneak up" skill kthx
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Abysseon - 2010-06-24
Arroz Wrote:ulti and summon don't count?
30 second cooldown (at level 30 which is maxed after more useful skills now) with 3 seconds of freezing?...
Using a summon that's more slow/unresponsive than useful?
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Takebacker - 2010-06-24
IllegallySane Wrote:Please report everything. EVERYTHING. Report HP/level hell MP/level, CSB's state, but most importantly their damage/training speed. Make sure if Barrage still has nodelay after this buff. See how much stronger Counter Attack has made Buccaneers. Go kill a Griffey/Manon as a DPS test. I want to see to it lolaneers are awesome like Luffy/Kenshiro as I'm predicting they are to be.
I haven't hopped on it yet, but justin says the invincibility from CSB was reduced. Instead of the frames extending for the whole delay time, it's only present for half.
Comparing HP/MP values at level 36, brawlers now have 300 more base HP, and 130ish more MP.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Baklava - 2010-06-24
Des Wrote:have you played shadower? every high lvl shadower will tell you that assasinate is our main bossing skill not bs also as i said before it does not have sens when someone can hit something thats far away with bare fist and someone using a weapon cant even tho its a "sneak up" skill kthx
Because shadowers shouldn't even be hitting the high arms, that's why there's tons of lower arms close to platforms. :l
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - IllegallySane - 2010-06-24
Takebacker Wrote:I haven't hopped on it yet, but justin says the invincibility from CSB was reduced. Instead of the frames extending for the whole delay time, it's only present for half.
Comparing HP/MP values at level 36, brawlers now have 300 more base HP, and 130ish more MP.
Present for 1/2 is still good. I swear that CSB was one of the reasons we had to be an lolclass for so long, because untouchable character = must have loldamage.
As for the HP/MP values, how much does that translate as in terms of per level? I'll try to search in the Pirate thread of a 36 Pirate. It's been so long that I can't remember.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Des - 2010-06-24
thats why buccaners barrage should be close range not 120 pixel range attack kthx...
they shouldnt be able to hit nothing thats more than 50 pixels away from then using bare fists
anything else? your arguments aren't so good tbh
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Takebacker - 2010-06-24
IllegallySane Wrote:Present for 1/2 is still good. I swear that CSB was one of the reasons we had to be an lolclass for so long, because untouchable character = must have loldamage.
As for the HP/MP values, how much does that translate as in terms of per level?
Yeah. If it stayed the same we would never activate counter attack anyway.
I don't know yet.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Baklava - 2010-06-24
Des Wrote:thats why buccaners barrage should be close range not 120 pixel range attack kthx...
they shouldnt be able to hit nothing thats more than 50 pixels away from then using bare fists
anything else? your arguments aren't so good tbh
They use energy bubbles they can do whatever.
You're arguing like a 5 year old.