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Aran Flaunting Thread!! - KhainiWest - 2009-09-21
Takebacker Wrote:Excluding mages, paladins are better mobbers than buccs and shads are. Buccs and shads are the mediocre at everything class.
Shadowers excel in training, to my understanding even with TT paladins still can't catch up to the 40% boost in taunt. Even then I dont think HH+Rushing map (if that's what you are implying) is better than Bstep and whatever mobbing skills Bucc's use.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - CarrionCrow - 2009-09-21
ImVindictive Wrote:Shadowers excel in training, to my understanding even with TT paladins still can't catch up to the 40% boost in taunt. Even then I dont think HH+Rushing map (if that's what you are implying) is better than Bstep and whatever mobbing skills Bucc's use.
Dragon strike would be the Bucc mobbing skill, no? And for Paladins, their main attack is a single target one (blast) and I'm not really sure how good the hammer is for grinding, but it sure ain't comparable to ultimates.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - Takebacker - 2009-09-21
ImVindictive Wrote:Shadowers excel in training, to my understanding even with TT paladins still can't catch up to the 40% boost in taunt. Even then I dont think HH+Rushing map (if that's what you are implying) is better than Bstep and whatever mobbing skills Bucc's use.
Them excelling in training does not imply that they excel in mobbing. That logic would then say that they excel in mobbing because of taunt, which is retarded.
By saying paladins are better in mobs i was implying both HH + rush and ACB. Even with my range i can't keep up with a paladin that can do 50ks on holy weak, and similar amounts on other elementally weak mobs.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - KhainiWest - 2009-09-21
Takebacker Wrote:Them excelling in training does not imply that they excel in mobbing. That logic would then say that they excel in mobbing because of taunt, which is retarded.
By saying paladins are better in mobs i was implying both HH + rush and ACB. Even with my range i can't keep up with a paladin that can do 50ks on holy weak, and similar amounts on other elementally weak mobs.
Actually, Taunt being a mob skill I would consider them supperior in mobbing. Why? They get more experience and all the attacks a shadower uses in training is generally a mob skill. When it gets down to it, its who can kill efficiently and gain the most amount of experience, which a shadower would easily run any class except mage, who they could honestly compete against, in the dirt.
Now if you're talking about a ks war between these classes thats an entirely different topic.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - Takebacker - 2009-09-21
ImVindictive Wrote:Actually, Taunt being a mob skill I would consider them supperior in mobbing. Why? They get more experience and all the attacks a shadower uses in training is generally a mob skill. When it gets down to it, its who can kill efficiently and gain the most amount of experience, which a shadower would easily run any class except mage, who they could honestly compete against, in the dirt.
Now if you're talking about a ks war between these classes thats an entirely different topic.
When people say "who can kill a mob faster", they don't give a f'uck about exp, because more exp =/= faster killing. It just means more exp.
I didn't say "paladins get more exp than buccs and shads" i said "paladins kill mobs faster than buccs and shads". There's a difference between the two statements, please learn it.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - KhainiWest - 2009-09-21
Takebacker Wrote:When people say "who can kill a mob faster", they don't give a f'uck about exp, because more exp =/= faster killing. It just means more exp.
I didn't say "paladins get more exp than buccs and shads" i said "paladins kill mobs faster than buccs and shads". There's a difference between the two statements, please learn it.
I still say shadowers at the very least considering when you HH the range of rush isn't gurranteed to hit 6+ monsters at once. Bstep has the same range as L7, also can be executed while jumping.
Please take the attitude out of your posts. It's unnecessary o.O
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - Takebacker - 2009-09-21
ImVindictive Wrote:I still say shadowers at the very least considering when you HH the range of rush isn't gurranteed to hit 6+ monsters at once. Bstep has the same range as L7, also can be executed while jumping.
Please take the attitude out of your posts. It's unnecessary o.O
I don't see why the range matters that much. When you're HH + rushing, you're always 2hkoing a max of 15 monsters at once. Shadowers do what? 4hko 4 mobs at a time? Should be pretty obvious that paladins will thus circle a map much faster than a shadower. (i'm using oblivion 4 as an example by the way)
Failing to see that exp gain has nothing to do with mob killing speed in the case of shadowers pisses me off.
Also, we're getting way off topic.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - KhainiWest - 2009-09-21
Takebacker Wrote:I don't see why the range matters that much. When you're HH + rushing, you're always 2hkoing a max of 15 monsters at once. Shadowers do what? 4hko 4 mobs at a time? Should be pretty obvious that paladins will thus circle a map much faster than a shadower. (i'm using oblivion 4 as an example by the way)
Failing to see that exp gain has nothing to do with mob killing speed in the case of shadowers pisses me off.
Also, we're getting way off topic.
I dont think you have a clear grasp on the exp rate for skele vs OB4 which I believe was proven slightly slower than skelegons, even with HH spamming. You also don't have a clear understanding of rush or the fact shadowers Bstep, the levels were talking about (15x) will probably one hit skelegons. You don't have to be rude if you disagree with someone.
on topic: aran's are broken, they better be nerfed.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - MasPan - 2009-09-21
ImVindictive Wrote:I dont think you have a clear grasp on the exp rate for skele vs OB4 which I believe was proven slightly slower than skelegons, even with HH spamming. You also don't have a clear understanding of rush or the fact shadowers Bstep, the levels were talking about (15x) will probably one hit skelegons. You don't have to be rude if you disagree with someone.[color="#cc8899"]
on topic: aran's are broken, they better be nerfed.
OB4 is the fastest solo training spot for non-mages, period. Skeles is only faster with an ult spammer.[/COLOR]
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - KhainiWest - 2009-09-21
MasPan Wrote:[color="#cc8899"]
OB4 is the fastest solo training spot for non-mages, period. Skeles is only faster with an ult spammer.[/COLOR]
If shadowers are 4 hitting like he says then I'm afraid you're wrong.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - JoeTang - 2009-09-21
ImVindictive Wrote:Bstep has the same range as L7
lolno.
ImVindictive Wrote:the fact shadowers Bstep, the levels were talking about (15x) will probably one hit skelegons.LOLNO.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - MasPan - 2009-09-21
ImVindictive Wrote:If shadowers are 4 hitting like he says then I'm afraid you're wrong.[color="#cc8899"]
2hitting skeles vice 4hitting Chief Oblivion Guardians, I'm afraid YOU'RE wrong. Oblivion 4 is much faster, has less climbing, and has teleports to speed you around the map. Skeles has lots of climbing, very low spawn density, and monsters that are killed way too quickly. [/COLOR]
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - KhainiWest - 2009-09-21
JoeTang Wrote:lolno.
Er isn't Keen eyes 300% as is Bstep?
MasPan Wrote:[color="#cc8899"]
2hitting skeles vice 4hitting Chief Oblivion Guardians, I'm afraid YOU'RE wrong. Oblivion 4 is much faster, has less climbing, and has teleports to speed you around the map. Skeles has lots of climbing, very low spawn density, and monsters that are killed way too quickly. [/COLOR]
Provide me a shadower with experience with this because I find that awfully hard to believe. B step has a 1 second delay (1.6ish) and you could fit a BOT in there. 4 Bs' per mob PLUS taunting would definatly do more harm than good.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - JoeTang - 2009-09-21
ImVindictive Wrote:Er isn't Keen eyes 300% as is Bstep?
Keen Eyed L7 is 400%
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - KhainiWest - 2009-09-21
JoeTang Wrote:Keen Eyed L7 is 400%
lol silly me forgot to factor in the actual L7. And exclude the one hit thing, I ment to say 2 hit.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - Star Drake - 2009-09-21
Are the Aran skills easy to chain or do they require keyboard-smashing like the dojo?
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - KhainiWest - 2009-09-21
Star Drake Wrote:Are the Aran skills easy to chain or do they require keyboard-smashing like the dojo?
From what I see they are easier to execute. You also have to remember that a lot of players mess up the dojo crap because they have a skill/potion on the control key.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - Cancambo - 2009-09-21
Star Drake Wrote:Are the Aran skills easy to chain or do they require keyboard-smashing like the dojo?
It is a pretty fluid system.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - Takebacker - 2009-09-21
ImVindictive Wrote:I dont think you have a clear grasp on the exp rate for skele vs OB4 which I believe was proven slightly slower than skelegons, even with HH spamming. You also don't have a clear understanding of rush or the fact shadowers Bstep, the levels were talking about (15x) will probably one hit skelegons. You don't have to be rude if you disagree with someone.
on topic: aran's are broken, they better be nerfed.
I believe the following:
1) That i actually train at O4 because i get more exp/money there.
2) That buccs and shadowers have very comparable killing speeds.
3) That you're misinformed. O4 is faster than solo skeles for any melee class.
No i don't have to be rude if i disagree, but i can be rude if the person i'm arguing against doesn't fully understand parts of the argument at hand.
Aran Flaunting Thread!! - Skylit - 2009-09-21
Takebacker Wrote:Excluding mages, paladins are better mobbers than buccs and shads are. Buccs and shads are the mediocre at everything class.
uh no, Shadower are the 2nd best exp gainers next to mages. I average 40m an hour on 2x with 1 hitting bishop+ max taunt (I could honestly gain more if I didn't talk) Explain to me how that is mediocre?