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Original Dragon Nest Thread - EarthAdept2 - 2011-10-17
Superb whirlwind costs SIX FREAKING STAMPS.
Hot damn. Average epic sparks also take extra stamps >[.
No wonder nexon released a batch of 50 available. Level 40 epic crests are gonna be like 9 stamps -_____-;
I also already crafted the crest jon. I'll talk to in-game to arrange something. But it's such a pain in the ass since everyone and their mothers sell only a stacks of 50 stamps in the MP.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - Hana - 2011-10-17
DrRusty Wrote:Thanks man that works perfect =D
Here is the build
http://dnarmory.com/skill-calc?c=2&sc=14&tc=29&ll=32#xESZjrN_BOiS_MbD
It is 100% focused on maximum damage in a PvE setting as a physical damage build longbow archer.
A few things to note - You want to open up with charge shot on a group of mobs if you can get a nice line up of them. This is by far the biggest damage spell in your entire arsenal. One hit of charged shot does more damage than most of your skills can do on groups of 3 or 4. When charged shot hits 4 mobs (or even more than that) your damage goes through the roof. Against a boss, try to use wisdom of the owl + siege stance together as soon as you get an opportunity to (where the boss isn't just going to out range it or something). Try to use it on cooldown as much as possible. Twin shot is your main ability after charge shot. Against groups, charge shot followed by frag arrow or Rapid Shot is your best bet.
I hear ankle shot is good... Don't know why people are leveling pierce shot pass lvl 5.
EarthAdept2 Wrote:Superb whirlwind costs SIX FREAKING STAMPS.All epic crests cost 6 stamps =(. I would just buy the stamps if it cost 110 or less per stamp.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - EarthAdept2 - 2011-10-17
They are less than 110g per stamp.
If you buy a stack of 50 \o/.
EDIT: Oh, jon, when I meant in-game, I meant much later since I'm at school and won't be home for the next 7 hours.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - DrRusty - 2011-10-17
Hana Wrote:I hear ankle shot is good... Don't know why people are leveling pierce shot pass lvl 5.I put piercing shot past level 5 for the same reason people people put points past lvl 5 of twin shot. It has high damage with a short cooldown. Piercing shot is already 155% + 110 at lvl 5 and has only a 10 second cooldown. By comparison, twin shot at lvl 11 is 53% + 150. Using my damage range, piercing shot would do 1428 damage at lvl 5, while twin shot would do 1200 damage. Piercing shot hits more targets (since it goes through mobs) and still has a very very short cooldown. Now this is comparing lvl 11 twin shot vs lvl 5 piercing. At lvl 11, piercing shot will do 160% + 346, or 1706 damage.
All epic crests cost 6 stamps =(. I would just buy the stamps if it cost 110 or less per stamp.
It's basically a weaker version of charged shot with a shorter cooldown and faster animation.
You could leave wisdom of the owl at LvL 1 and get your point into ankle shot. I actually might end up doing that myself.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - Hana - 2011-10-17
DrRusty Wrote:I put piercing shot past level 5 for the same reason people people put points past lvl 5 of twin shot. It has high damage with a short cooldown. Piercing shot is already 155% + 110 at lvl 5 and has only a 10 second cooldown. By comparison, twin shot at lvl 11 is 53% + 150. Using my damage range, piercing shot would do 1428 damage at lvl 5, while twin shot would do 1200 damage. Piercing shot hits more targets (since it goes through mobs) and still has a very very short cooldown. Now this is comparing lvl 11 twin shot vs lvl 5 piercing. At lvl 11, piercing shot will do 160% + 346, or 1706 damage.It's your call. I wouldn't put more than one point in owl. You can use the extra point to add at least one in ankle shot and the HP passive for survivability.
It's basically a weaker version of charged shot with a shorter cooldown and faster animation.
Here's my recomended build.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - DrRusty - 2011-10-17
You quoted me before I finished editing lol. I don't know about the HP thing... I've looked at 2 different builds that seem legit on http://forum.mmosite.com/board/2-49.html# and neither one took the health skill. I haven't gotten to a point where I needed 3% more health or I would have died. At 10k health, 3% is only 300 HP. That's only enough to take maybe 2 hits from a trash mob or half a hit from a boss.
I don't understand the reasoning behind your build. If you could explain it to me? The extra 2% agility you gain from putting another point into Spiritual Focus would only be worth 5 agility (with my stats). Ankle Shot is used just for the snare (and not the damage) so putting it any higher than 1 is a waste of points. Also, archers have the highest crit due to the fact we go for agility. This means +200% crit from Wisdom of the Owl is huge for us (due to stacking crit to begin with). That DPS cooldown seems way stronger than 1% extra health you gain from putting 2 points into Health Bolster.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - 案山子 - 2011-10-17
Rusty is evolving!
Rusty evolved into experienced player!
Original Dragon Nest Thread - Kaasoljoyyx - 2011-10-17
DrRusty Wrote:You quoted me before I finished editing lol. I don't know about the HP thing... I've looked at 2 different builds that seem legit on http://forum.mmosite.com/board/2-49.html# and neither one took the health skill. I haven't gotten to a point where I needed 3% more health or I would have died. At 10k health, 3% is only 300 HP. That's only enough to take maybe 2 hits from a trash mob or half a hit from a boss.
I don't understand the reasoning behind your build. If you could explain it to me? The extra 2% agility you gain from putting another point into Spiritual Focus would only be worth 5 agility (with my stats). Ankle Shot is used just for the snare (and not the damage) so putting it any higher than 1 is a waste of points. Also, archers have the highest crit due to the fact we go for agility. This means +200% crit from Wisdom of the Owl is huge for us (due to stacking crit to begin with). That DPS cooldown seems way stronger than 1% extra health you gain from putting 2 points into Health Bolster.
Twin shot is good, and many people recommend it and they say "It has short cooldown, longer range than normal attack, and is good attack"
Problem is, that is true but it only applies in PvP mostly. On my acro and my SS, I don't use twin shot or pierce shot that often because when they cool down, they've probably cool downed 2-4 times over before I run out of other skills to use. For my 32 acro, by the time I finish up some of my main combos, my first combo is ready to go again so I don't use twin shot that often. My SS is 31 and once I get guided missles, I doubt i'll be using twin shot that often due to having more skills/combos. I already don't use pierce that often.
Ankle shot: Max this max this max this. It is an extremely strong skill and it binds enemies to the ground and they can't do anything.
Wisdom of the owl: Put 0 points or 1 point in it only. My builds have it at 0 because I plan to raise my critical through gear/stats and I'm sure my critical will cap without needing owl.
You can't really do DPS calcs for this game like in maple due to the fact you can't spam skills. Your build should reflect more on your playstyle and what skills you use more often. If you find yourself using twin shot a lot, then you should put more points into it. But if you find yourself using it very rarely, don't put a lot of points into it. Same goes for the other skills. Each build does have a cookie-cutter build though that people should definitely get. Everything else is more or less preference + recommendations.
@Shinku: L>igns to add to guild
Original Dragon Nest Thread - ShinkuDragon - 2011-10-17
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:Twin shot is good, and many people recommend it and they say "It has short cooldown, longer range than normal attack, and is good attack"
Problem is, that is true but it only applies in PvP mostly. On my acro and my SS, I don't use twin shot or pierce shot that often because when they cool down, they've probably cool downed 2-4 times over before I run out of other skills to use. For my 32 acro, by the time I finish up some of my main combos, my first combo is ready to go again so I don't use twin shot that often. My SS is 31 and once I get guided missles, I doubt i'll be using twin shot that often due to having more skills/combos. I already don't use pierce that often.
Ankle shot: Max this max this max this. It is an extremely strong skill and it binds enemies to the ground and they can't do anything.
Wisdom of the owl: Put 0 points or 1 point in it only. My builds have it at 0 because I plan to raise my critical through gear/stats and I'm sure my critical will cap without needing owl.
You can't really do DPS calcs for this game like in maple due to the fact you can't spam skills. Your build should reflect more on your playstyle and what skills you use more often. If you find yourself using twin shot a lot, then you should put more points into it. But if you find yourself using it very rarely, don't put a lot of points into it. Same goes for the other skills. Each build does have a cookie-cutter build though that people should definitely get. Everything else is more or less preference + recommendations.
@Shinku: L>igns to add to guild
i'll be on later (around... 6~8 pst?) what is your IGN so that i whisper you? and what's the name of the guild?
Original Dragon Nest Thread - raizoo - 2011-10-17
You'll end up getting either lvl 5 or 6 Spiritual Focus in the end. 5 -> 6 is only 1.5% increase compared to the previous levels giving you 2%.
Ankle Shot will be one of your biggest DPS skills end-game. The fact that it binds allows you to safely use Rain of Arrows if you're soloing.
The +5% HP isn't a significant boost, but there are times when squeezing out that extra bit of HP can save you. Wait until we start getting the real nests like Cerberus, Sea Dragon, Manticore and ArchBishop. You don't have to add it, but you should if you end up having extra SP.
If you're maxing Power Tumble and Aerial Evasion, take the points out of Wisdom [Just leave 1 if you really want] to put into Twin Shot/Piercing Shot later.
But yes, pick skills you like to use. Well, I don't care if you think Ankle Shot is "bad" because you're going to learn to use it. :>
Original Dragon Nest Thread - DrRusty - 2011-10-17
Quote:Problem is, that is true but it only applies in PvP mostly. On my acro and my SS, I don't use twin shot or pierce shot that often because when they cool down, they've probably cool downed 2-4 times over before I run out of other skills to use. For my 32 acro, by the time I finish up some of my main combos, my first combo is ready to go again so I don't use twin shot that often. My SS is 31 and once I get guided missles, I doubt i'll be using twin shot that often due to having more skills/combos. I already don't use pierce that often.Just because it's on your bars doesn't really mean it should be used against a boss. Multi shot isn't something you should even waste the animation for against a boss due to its short range and pitiful damage. It's also not only accounting for cooldown, you also have to think about the length of the animation. Twin shot's damage is decent + it has a short cooldown + it has a quick animation which is why EVERYBODY maxes it.
Quote:But yes, pick skills you like to use. Well, I don't care if you think Ankle Shot is "bad" because you're going to learn to use it. :>I didn't say ankle shot was bad, I said it's used for a snare so maxing it for damage wouldn't make any sense. Putting more points into it doesn't decrease the cooldown, it only increases damage. I'm only level 27 so I can't use it yet. When I hit 29 i'll try it out for myself.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - raizoo - 2011-10-17
DrRusty Wrote:I didn't say ankle shot was bad, I said it's used for a snare so maxing it for damage wouldn't make any sense. Putting more points into it doesn't decrease the cooldown, it only increases damage. I'm only level 27 so I can't use it yet. When I hit 29 i'll try it out for myself.It's actually quite powerful once you level it up. Mine's lvl 2 and though I do have a blue crest for damage, I've seen an arrow hit 3.5k on Mino with my average damage.
Snipers have to be way more careful when they're using their skills due to the time it takes to set-up attacks.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - DrRusty - 2011-10-17
2 levels to go before I try it out =P. If my opinion changes i'll let you guys know. According to its tooltip though, it is quite powerful.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - Hana - 2011-10-17
Rusty, Spiritual Focus also increases your int % if you didn't know. Technically, you're getting 4% for each point you put in after the first.
5 agility and 2 int (using 100 int as an example) do make a difference.
* 5 AGI = 17.5 crit, 2.5 phys dmg, 52.5 crit resist (lolz).
* 2 Int = 1 magic dmg, 35 mp, and .8 magic def!!!
I have over 4k Crit on my SS, which is more than enough to have 90% crit chance (I think 90% is the max). Unless you have low crit and really need that 100-200%+ crit for 15 seconds (20 sec with epic crest?), sure go ahead and put points on it. Reading from the previous posts, you can see how ankle shot is too good to pass up on.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - DrRusty - 2011-10-17
how do you find your crit chance?
Original Dragon Nest Thread - Alilatias - 2011-10-17
Ended up selling that ring for 1.5k. Might have gotten lucky there, as I was thinking that I'd have to lower it to like 700 gold to sell it.
DrRusty Wrote:Thanks man that works perfect =D
Here is the build
http://dnarmory.com/skill-calc?c=2&sc=14&tc=29&ll=32#xESZjrN_BOiS_MbD
It is 100% focused on maximum damage in a PvE setting as a physical damage build longbow archer.
A few things to note - You want to open up with charge shot on a group of mobs if you can get a nice line up of them. This is by far the biggest damage spell in your entire arsenal. One hit of charged shot does more damage than most of your skills can do on groups of 3 or 4. When charged shot hits 4 mobs (or even more than that) your damage goes through the roof. Against a boss, try to use wisdom of the owl + siege stance together as soon as you get an opportunity to (where the boss isn't just going to out range it or something). Try to use it on cooldown as much as possible. Twin shot is your main ability after charge shot. Against groups, charge shot followed by frag arrow or Rapid Shot is your best bet.
The thing about Dragon Nest builds is that you have to balance versatility and damage. Hardly anyone recommends more than 1 point in Wisdom of the Owl due to the 15 second duration/60 second cooldown, neither of which changes depending on the skill level. In that case, I think 200% critical is enough, as there's already a good chance that all of your hits will be critical hits even with a 200% boost. Is an extra 150% critical in that buff worth it over a passive extra 4% HP?
I also noticed your Piercing Shot. While you may want to put as many points as you want into it in the long run, I'd focus on getting some points into Ankle Shot in a Level 32 build instead. Is an extra 5% + 190-something damage increase for the 10 second Piercing Shot worth it over a new skill with an 18 second cooldown that inflicts 150% damage + 280 damage along with the additional bonus of pinning enemies to the spot for 3.8 seconds?
I altered your build a bit, mainly through what I mentioned above. Tell me what you think.
http://dnarmory.com/skill-calc?c=2&sc=14&tc=29&ll=32#ydX3y3K99O5RWkGd
DrRusty Wrote:how do you find your crit chance?
There's a calculator floating around somewhere... Not sure where it is, though. All I know is that you need something like 3.8k buffed to 100% crit everything at Level 24, I think.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - DrRusty - 2011-10-17
I've already mentioned keeping wisdom at lvl 1 and getting ankle shot. The crit thing is what I didn't understand which I've already mentioned already as well. I didn't know there was a crit cap until just today.
If it's 3.8k buffed to get 100% crit then I'm right there. I have almost 1900 crit. So lvl 1 owl would bring me to the cap. I still don't like the HP talent. I'll go OOM before I end up dying. Then I'll die because I don't even have enough mana to do my evasive skills.
BTW, anyone having trouble with mana? I have mana crest, +6.5% total mana on 3 pieces of gear, 2 points into the mana talent, and I'm still going OOM. I can't get through a Master level dungeon without running out of mana before the end (unless I get food somewhere). I'm at 8700 mana (more than my health which is 8100).
Original Dragon Nest Thread - raizoo - 2011-10-17
Hana Wrote:I have over 4k Crit on my SS, which is more than enough to have 90% crit chance (I think 90% is the max).iirc 95% is the max.
32 = 6k for 95%
40 = 12k for 95% [Sea Dragon, however, has 14k crit resist]
50 = 18k for 95%
Sometimes, enhancement plates have added bonuses which are worth a fortune.
Original Dragon Nest Thread - ShinkuDragon - 2011-10-17
wondering if any 2 kind souls from argenta is willing to give me a hand and help me clear mino nest 2 times? so close to getting the extra slots >.<
Original Dragon Nest Thread - raizoo - 2011-10-17
ShinkuDragon Wrote:wondering if any 2 kind souls from argenta is willing to give me a hand and help me clear mino nest 2 times? so close to getting the extra slots >.<Argenta is kissing me, cannot do. xd
Actually, saving runs on both chars now. I could go on a lvl 24 SM if you really wanted. :B