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Crooked Hillary! - Eos - 2016-10-27
xparasite9 Wrote:It doesn't sound scandalous because you don't know the law.
Except the people who do know the law said this wasn't an instance of that;
"Federal campaign finance law prohibits political campaigning from coordinating on expenditures with outside groups that involve paid media communications. That means that the Clinton campaign and the super PAC supporting Clinton’s bid, Priorities USA Action, cannot write advertisements together, for example, or share data in order to decide what market to place an advertisement in.
It is legal, however to coordinate on other forms of communication, including certain types of messaging, and to contract work to third parties. The Donald Duck activists likely do not qualify under federal law as public communications, which is defined as including television or newspaper advertising, or mass mailings."
Crooked Hillary! - xparasite9 - 2016-10-27
Eos Wrote:Except the people who do know the law said this wasn't an instance of that;
"Federal campaign finance law prohibits political campaigning from coordinating on expenditures with outside groups that involve paid media communications. That means that the Clinton campaign and the super PAC supporting Clinton’s bid, Priorities USA Action, cannot write advertisements together, for example, or share data in order to decide what market to place an advertisement in.
It is legal, however to coordinate on other forms of communication, including certain types of messaging, and to contract work to third parties. The Donald Duck activists likely do not qualify under federal law as public communications, which is defined as including television or newspaper advertising, or mass mailings."
selective information, nice.
It's not clear-cut. It's at the very least a legal gray area, though more on the edge of "yeah it's illegal". Meaning that Clinton likely isn't going to be found guilty, but if the tables were turned Trump's campaign would be thrown through the grinder.
Even everyone's favorite socialist, Bernie Sanders, as noted in the same article you referenced, affirms that this violates the law as it was intended by the drafters.
Crooked Hillary! - Eos - 2016-10-27
xparasite9 Wrote:this violates the law as it was intended by the drafters.
So does failing businesses so badly you never have to pay taxes on the billions you pay yourself.
Crooked Hillary! - xparasite9 - 2016-10-27
Eos Wrote:So does failing businesses so badly you never have to pay taxes on the billions you pay yourself.
lmao. You're referring to a law put into place (with heavy involvement from Bill Clinton) that made something legal, when I was referring to a law put into place that made something illegal.
You're also making a wild speculation that a businessman would intentionally drive his business to failure to "save" money that's a fraction of the loss.
Crooked Hillary! - Words - 2016-10-27
Eos Wrote:You mean the meaningless non-event that everyone has pretended was a Big Issue when nobody cared that The George W. Bush White House ‘Lost’ 22 Million Emails?
Not so indefensible with proper context;
https://medium.com/the-curious-civilian/admit-it-the-clinton-email-controversy-bothers-you-yet-you-dont-actually-know-what-the-clinton-511dc1659eda#.31hf948f7
But the conspiracy theorists won't accept that because it's "media". As if every bloody human interaction on the planet isn't media and spin intended to get you to believe or perceive the way someone else wants to. You make reality look like anything when you only cherry pick your details.
It was a pineapple up and she helped in making it an issue... even the article recognizes it. What bothers me is that it wasn't/isn't okay. As I said, I don't care if people chose to vote for her regardless just so Trump doesn't get elected or whatever, I've even done similar "vote for the lesser of two evils" in my country, but pretending like it was totally fine, nothing wrong with it, just doesn't sit well with me.
Crooked Hillary! - Jordan - 2016-10-28
xparasite9 Wrote:It doesn't sound scandalous because you don't know the law.
This kind of collusion between the campaign and the Super PACs is super-prohibited by federal law.
The problem is, Americans United for Change (AUFC) is not a PAC. It's a 501©(4). A 501©(4) is not only allowed to take foreign donations, they are allowed to coordinate with a candidate and the DNC. O'Keefe spends almost 40 minutes showing off why Citizens United was a bad supreme court decision, but not much illegal activity. He just banks on the fact that people hear "you can't coordinate with PACs" and assume that AUFC is a PAC. But it's not.
And a second note on that "foreign donation" - It's not illegal for a campaign accept a donation from an American Citizen, even if that money is transferred through a foreign bank. The bank doesn't matter, it's the person donating that's important.
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-10-28
Well, that was a fun ride, but if it's not over now then she can literally take a dump on a minority child on stage and be fine.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html
And let's take a moment to press F to pay respects for the dumbest man on the entire planet, Anthony Weiner, who was not only caught sexting a 15 year old with such classy lines as "I would bust that tight platypus so hard that you would leak and limp for a week", he also managed to destroy Hillary's entire campaign entirely by coincidence less than two weeks away from the election; they found that pomegranate on his phone entirely by chance. I don't know if karma exists, but this is a very good argument that it does. After the 15-25%+ rate hike on Obamacare announced, this, and the tape (https://youtu.be/lAm43TWpbXM) today which verifies in her own words that it is entirely within her ability and moral compass to rig an election, if she can still manage to pull this off then it is clear evidence that the voting process is compromised, nobody wants to see state of the union addresses sent out from a prison cell.
Crooked Hillary! - xparasite9 - 2016-10-28
Flonne Wrote:Well, that was a fun ride, but if it's not over now then she can literally take a dump on a minority child on stage and be fine.Cult leader Stefan Molyneux has posited the idea that there are some people that it does not matter what you tell them about a person, as long as that person is in some way supplying them with the small dripping of the scraps off the table that is the Welfare State, then they will rally in support of that person.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html
And let's take a moment to press F to pay respects for the dumbest man on the entire planet, Anthony Weiner, who was not only caught sexting a 15 year old with such classy lines as "I would bust that tight platypus so hard that you would leak and limp for a week", he also managed to destroy Hillary's entire campaign entirely by coincidence less than two weeks away from the election; they found that pomegranate on his phone entirely by chance. I don't know if karma exists, but this is a very good argument that it does. After the 15-25%+ rate hike on Obamacare announced, this, and the tape (https://youtu.be/lAm43TWpbXM) today which verifies in her own words that it is entirely within her ability and moral compass to rig an election, if she can still manage to pull this off then it is clear evidence that the voting process is compromised, nobody wants to see state of the union addresses sent out from a prison cell.
Crooked Hillary! - Eos - 2016-10-28
Flonne Wrote:Well, that was a fun ride, but if it's not over now .
the fact you're calling it over without any facts, based purely on what you want this to implicate, is pretty sad.
“It’s unclear whether these emails have already been reviewed or if Secretary Clinton sent or received them. In fact, we don’t even know if the F.B.I. has these emails in its possession.”
You're dancing on her grave when the only thing that's even been said/done is "hey, we might have something".
And to my own point, oh look, http://thinkprogress.org/the-fbi-directors-letter-about-the-clinton-emails-says-a-lot-less-than-the-media-wants-you-to-aa61e81e5a97, nothing but a hyper active media (hey wait, aren't you the one who doesn't trust the media for this exact reason but still went crazy spreading their pomegranate when it supported your fantasy?) trying to get attention.
Crooked Hillary! - xparasite9 - 2016-10-29
>thinkprogress
lmao too prog didn't click
if it's been such a nothing-burger, why did Lynch try so hard to stop the letter from being sent?
Crooked Hillary! - Eos - 2016-10-29
xparasite9 Wrote:>thinkprogress
lmao too prog didn't click
if it's been such a nothing-burger, why did Lynch try so hard to stop the letter from being sent?
Maybe you should read the link and find out.
Crooked Hillary! - xparasite9 - 2016-10-29
Eos Wrote:Maybe you should read the link and find out.
"Republican Jason Chaffetz is the one who said that -- and he's wrong. We know more than the frelcking Oversight Committee please stop panicking."
lmao
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-10-29
Eos Wrote:the fact you're calling it over without any facts, based purely on what you want this to implicate, is pretty sad.Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, but fool me a couple hundred times and I don't have an appropriate hyperbole to end this phrase, you get the idea. Something can only be a "coincidence" so many times before it is no longer a coincidence. I realize at this point that you are beyond convincing of this, and that no matter what happens it's purely circumstantial, but facts will still be facts regardless of individual opinion. It is my opinion that she will go to jail. It is a FACT that she SHOULD be in jail. That's the sole difference here, whether or not she will snake her way out of it is the only variable remaining.
Eos Wrote:Maybe you should read the link and find out.
Just because it reports something doesn't mean it's legitimate, especially coming from a liberal rag such as that. Going strictly by the letter itself and none of the garbage commentary on it that they are providing, all I can see is Comey is confirming that there is substantial enough evidence to merit reopening the case, and that there is enough of it that it will take a while to process, so she likely won't actually be in prison until at least next year unless the coming week's leaks incriminate her in ways unrelated to the emails they just got. To put it plainly, there is no way they would have reopened the case if it wasn't going to end in an indictment, if she got off twice the damage to their reputation with the American public would be irreparable, they are not willing to throw out all of the trust the organization has ever gained for one woman regardless of how influential she is. This link that you were using as a way to say "you are just buying into the media's garbage" has only further proven my point; it IS garbage, and the garbage starts with the commentary the link itself is making, the only pertinent piece of information in that entire article is the actual letter's contents.
Crooked Hillary! - Eos - 2016-10-29
Flonne Wrote:Just because it reports something doesn't mean it's legitimate
Which is the exact point being made about his source, yes.
See, reality works both ways. Trying to exclude either portion of it makes you lopsided and prone to looking stupid because you keep saying things that are out of touch with any reality but the fiction being reinforced by the one echo chamber you're willing to listen to.
Case in point; You made up the word "substantial". The truth is they would have to "reopen" the case for any potential bit of information, and the entire point of that letter was that they don't know what's in there. That's what "investigating" means.
The odds do not favor Hillary having sent a smoking gun to Wener's shared phone.
Hell, the odds do not favor anything of even moderate importance being communicated by email at all.
I've said it before, I'll say it again; The email thing is a pathetic witch hunt and still the best anyone has been able to come up with despite mountains of allegations and implications and insinuations. Where there's smoke there's fire isn't as cut and dry as you might think - Sometimes it just means there is an idiot backstage trying to start an arson.
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-10-29
Eos Wrote:The odds do not favor Hillary having sent a smoking gun to Wener's shared phone.
Hell, the odds do not favor anything of even moderate importance being communicated by email at all.
First off, you are correct, Hillary HERSELF would not have sent anything to Weiner, but his wife would have. You know, the woman who is (or was, as of today she was no longer on the plane with her on the campaign trail, funny how that works!) the person closest to Hillary? The woman who was shown in an image within the past 24 hours crying while Hillary glared at her inside her private jet? That sure doesn't mean anything though, all of these things are purely circumstance and have nothing to do with anything else.
As for the second point, the odds don't favor anything of moderate importance being communicated? You mean like the hundreds of classified (and a handful above that) emails including 2-3 that are also absolute smoking guns that were already found and dismissed by Comey only because "no prosecutor in their right mind would stand trial against Hillary", with a clear admission that she had indeed broken the law? In other words, coincidences, all coincidences!
I placed a single piece of not 100% verified (though still likely true, but that's my opinion) data in this post just to see if you will yet again latch onto it while ignoring the rest of the completely proven content, just like you have done with all of my posts in this thread for the past month.
Eos Wrote:You made up the word "substantial"
I could be snarky at this point, but I won't be.
Crooked Hillary! - Eos - 2016-10-30
Flonne Wrote:First off, you are correct, Hillary HERSELF would not have sent anything to Weiner, but his wife would have.
You see that word "shared" that you quoted me having said? That indicates my awareness of who Anthony was sharing that particular phone with. It also indicates my understanding that this was not either of their default accounts, but a shared account that just happened to have been used for what appears to have been 3 emails total and are highly unlikely to have been anything more urgent than "yes ma'am, i will get your coffee and lick your boots, thank you ma'am". If you agree the odds of Hillary sending useful info to that phone are low, why on earth would her peon of an assistant even have anything to send, let alone be sending it to her on that line?
Out of curiosity, have you read this one?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-on-her-private-server-wrote-104-emails-the-government-says-are-classified/2016/03/05/11e2ee06-dbd6-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-10-30
Eos Wrote:You see that word "shared" that you quoted me having said? That indicates my awareness of who Anthony was sharing that particular phone with. It also indicates my understanding that this was not either of their default accounts, but a shared account that just happened to have been used for what appears to have been 3 emails total and are highly unlikely to have been anything more urgent than "yes ma'am, i will get your coffee and lick your boots, thank you ma'am". If you agree the odds of Hillary sending useful info to that phone are low, why on earth would her peon of an assistant even have anything to send, let alone be sending it to her on that line?What is your definition of "useful"? Classified data? close to zero. Things that can be used to further substantiate evidence found from other sources such as the main batch of emails, the veritas videos, or any number of other leaks? Quite good. The day those videos came out, a whole new set of information suddenly became relevant in the server emails, things that were previously considered benign, like the times of certain meetings matching up between what was said in the videos and what was said internally, proving that those meetings did in fact happen, as well as context on what "birddogging" was which was brought up in the emails but nobody originally knew what it meant. Alone, the information on that phone will be worthless, but combined with other information, the dates, times, people involved and a number of other factors are suddenly important; if both sides of the deal are confirming that it's true internally it's probably what really happened.
Eos Wrote:Out of curiosity, have you read this one?Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, the news media can occasionally create an accurate report just by virtue of "if you throw a dart at a board enough times, eventually you will get a bullseye". The further the outlet sways to either side of the spectrum, the more drunk they can be considered while making the throw. You won't see me defending Alex Jones any more than you will see me defending jezebel, both of them have opinions that are virtually completely worthless, and at this point Alex Jones is more of an ad commercial for various doomsday products and male testosterone products anyway.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-on-her-private-server-wrote-104-emails-the-government-says-are-classified/2016/03/05/11e2ee06-dbd6-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html
I still READ a lot of news reports, I just believe very few of them, if I see something in them that I have not seen before, I cross reference it with other pomegranate I know to be more accurate like public records and it usually turns out to be false, and if not, then I just consider the article to have pointed me to the fact that I then went and confirmed myself. They are useful but not as a source of actual information, I use them as more of a source of rumors that need to be looked into further.
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-11-03
Spoiler
and there it pineappleing is. Paranoia or not, this will be common knowledge within a few days anyway given that the FBI is going all in even with the DoJ doing everything in their power to stop them, she is going down and everything involved with her is going to be brought to light, potentially bringing down hundreds of other elites with her, but this is the proof to me I have been looking for for the past week that the Epstein link is real. ![[Image: DuYkN5m.png]](http://i.imgur.com/DuYkN5m.png)
The word "pizza" comes up hundreds of times just in this batch of emails, and thousands in all of them put together. The wording was always vague and could be construed as just them ordering a pizza or lunch or something, so I wrote it off as an unprovable conspiracy theory, but this one is different, it's the smoking gun that pulls all the other pieces into place. Who the pineapple uses wording like that intentionally; remember, these are NOT meant to be public, they can feel safe to make dealings like this with minimal usage of codewords. Another potential piece is this, https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10037
Those two women in the picture attached? They are the journalists who were captured in North Korea in 2009, Laura Ling and Euna Lee. They were reporting on sex trafficking. BILL pineappleING CLINTON went to North Korea and rescued them. "As John said, it doesn't get any better than this".
Coincidences only go so far, and as this election has proven time and again, almost every "coincidence" has eventually come out to not be. Even the liberal media is now forced to admit it, and the FBI is sick of this pomegranate and are not going to put up with her any longer now that they have been given the go ahead again, no matter what is done to stop them; Comey himself said there is a massive stack of resignation letters from FBI agents sitting on his desk that he is trying to ignore, and friends of his have come out and said how disappointed they are in him for allowing her to get away with all of this pomegranate. People are already distancing themselves from her as much as possible because it no longer matters how the election goes, she is a walking timebomb that is a threat to every one of them simply by being close to her, her only two possible ends are jail or asylum in another country, she has zero hope of getting out of this now that people are finally seeing that "coincidences" are not actually coincidences at all, media brainwashing can only go so far.
The claims that podesta and the Clintons in particular are in on Epstein's child trafficking have been going around for weeks, but this combined with a few other factors legitimizes it. It is already known that Bill has used Epstein's jet at LEAST 11 times that have been reported, and that Epstein has donated several million dollars to the Clinton Foundation, which is not only circumstantial proof that he was buying time with the girls in exchange for government favors as is the Clinton Foundation's MO at this point, but also DIRECT proof that they were getting a cut of profits from it. The reason tons of people are going down with the Clintons is because of this; there are many confirmed flight records of other elites using his "service", a few, INCLUDING BILL BY THE WAY, on the jet at the exact same time as "softcore child models", which is also 100% public record as part of Epstein's case when he was caught, and I'm sure many more are not public record because they were not directly related to the case.
Spoiler
![[Image: thDPfoJ.png]](http://i.imgur.com/thDPfoJ.png)
Royal families over in Europe have already been 100% proven to run/frequent child trafficking rings, this just proves it is here as well and run by our elites the same as it is over there, they really are degenerates no matter what part of the world they are from. Trump is only a minor thing now, sure, we get a president, but it's more important by far that a ton of the major families and entities in the world today are about to all go down simultaneously, leaving a huge power vacuum which will lead to others trying to gain it for themselves; I see no way that this sort of thing will ever stop, it will simply switch to the next person, but they needed to be reminded from time to time that they are not invulnerable.
Crooked Hillary! - xparasite9 - 2016-11-04
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jesus take the wheel.
and stop the world I wanna get off.
Crooked Hillary! - ImagineAll - 2016-11-06
I thought parasite got banned eons ago when the collective understanding was that he was severely mentally handicapped?
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