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Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Shidoshi - 2014-09-27
Yes we do, that gives time for us to change our minds and for everyone to react to our voting.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - LuvDWayULie - 2014-09-27
Kyrastri Wrote:hoo boy here we go
I am pissed off right now, so let's break this down REALLY well shall we?
I am not disputing that. I don't know how you can even manage to sound accusatory with something that I am not denying.
No, you did not "literallyQuote: that". This is what you so call "quoted".
NOWHERE did you say that I said that "his reason was really poor." This is what I was pointing out.
And now you're calling ME the liar for calling you out on what I initially considered a mistake? Please.
I will probably reword this when I'm not so angry.
Yep, I was trying to convey that in my alternate theory, generally exploring the idea that there might be a segregation between the two types, but I can't really think of anything that could explain just a smell. Beyond bad bowel movements >_>.
Hey hey hey Holypie and I are bringing in the cookie dough. It may have a poor choc chip to flour ratio but it's there.
never mind the fact that I am cheese. We can change it into cake batter.
You're right in thinking that but it's a legitimate scumhunting tactic. It's known as OMGUS (Oh My God You Suck) and is a scumtell. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck
For the record, the only reason why I called your D1 vote reason flimsy was because it was incredibly flavour based (which is inevitable). We're in a prickly situation when it comes to voting with anything but 'flimsy' reasons because we don't have any mod-provided information like role PMs aside from our own.
edit:
If you don't 'buy' my excuses- I already admitted that it wasn't my brightest moment- then that's fine, but know that my sentiments still carry into day 2. If it's not voting on day 1 that's particularly nagging at you then I'm happy to vote today, since I at least have more to go off today than I had the previous day.
[Vote CakesXD; I probably should have @mentioned you when I mentioned you earlier, but I still haven't seen you do anything so I feel like my words are falling on deaf ears.
LuvDWayULie Wrote:Whoops, he had a reason? Well, his reason wasn't strong that I didn't realize the reason he gave was a reason.OMFG, could you even read this? I quoted your post and said this. This was on Day 1!
And now, for the vote:
As much as I dislike Kyra pushing on me in the post, I think she's not in harm's way, for now. I don't get why do you want to vote against her. I know you believe me, but I, on the other hand, don't believe you.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Holypie - 2014-09-27
LuvDWayULie Wrote:OMFG, could you even read this? I quoted your post and said this. This was on Day 1!
And now, for the vote: [Vote] Shidoshi
As much as I dislike Kyra pushing on me in the post, I think she's not in harm's way, for now. I don't get why do you want to vote against her. I know you believe me, but I, on the other hand, don't believe you.
No we all understand that, but your initial reasoning for voting Razmos was that he had no reason. Your backpedaling makes no difference in this case. When you made the vote, your intention was that Razmos voted for no reason, not a weak reason. This is kind of a pointless discussion anyway, based on terrible communication. It's getting nowhere.
Now on the other hand your vote on Shidoshi is kind of interesting, his reasoning is pretty clear to me. Kyrastri's making a bunch of long posts on theory and this foolishness with you without actually scumhunting. It's similar to what she did in Pokemafia, lots of big posts with the appearance of being a helpful townie, while actually just saying nothing. Plus there's that random vote on Cakes.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Niernen - 2014-09-27
Sorry, I have been a bit busy typesetting some things. [MENTION=41]Holypie[/MENTION]; Yeah, I have not been that active this game. I pointed out that Luv stated he purposely stopped the lynch yesterday, but I haven't really done much else. Luv seems scummy again, but a double vote would be more town aligned. It's possible he was trying to bait out the real double voter so the mafia could kill them, but that is very unlikely. Meowmixx's flavor is creepy, and he hasn't really added too much either, but people generally don't like it when you vote off someone for flavor. I agree with most of Mas's posts, between Kyrastri and Razmos I'm leaning more to Razmos, so
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Shidoshi - 2014-09-27
I don't really understand what you "don't believe" in me LuvD, care to explain?
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Polantaris - 2014-09-27
I can't say this whole Luv debacle isn't confusing me...mostly because of Luv's erratic behaviour.
meowmixx Wrote:ok not sure how long it will take to load this but yolo! >.> nerd I personally don't think 2 people are doused with whatever it is they are claiming. It just sounds weird to have 2 people targeted in one night with the same thing. also it does kinda make sense for there to be an arsonist since we are our own brand of crazy in here. One night you gas the person up then the next its BURN BABY BURN! If there is an arsonist we should have a firefighter??? He will have to make a choice between the 2...this sounds like some Saw hocus pocus. I want to play a game LOL.
Thats all I got I think for the time being. More annoyed at the loading than anything else.
EDIT: wow i feel almost dumb with my post in comparison to yall's. feel so ninja'd right now
It seems weird to have two people doused at once, but if they were in some sort of debacle, maybe fighting each other or something like that, at the time of the dousing then it would make sense. It's also possible someone has the ability to force someone else to change targets but gets affected by whatever affects that person. So:
Person A targets Person Z.
Person B targets Person A forcing them to target Person C.
Person D comes in and attacks Person A or B, but has to attack both Person A and B because they are together.
Nothing happens to Person Z.
Person C is affected by Person A's ability.
Both Person A and Person B are affected by Person D's ability.
In this scenario, it's possible that Person Z doesn't even exist. It's possible that Person A has no ability, and they were just an unfortunate victim, therefore Person C doesn't get affected by anything.
Right now the current votes are:
Razmos(2): MasPan, Niernen
Kyrastri(2): Shidoshi, Holypie
CakesXD(1): Kyrastri
Shidoshi(2): LuvDWayULie x2
[Vote] Razmos
I'm torn between Razmos and VerrKol right now. Both have been pretty much saying nothing of overall value, but Razmos seems to want to deter valuable conversation which is why I have edged towards him over VerrKol. VerrKol has been pretty inactive, to be completely honest, but the activity Razmos has had has been...less than helpful.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Kyrastri - 2014-09-27
Holypie Wrote:No we all understand that, but your initial reasoning for voting Razmos was that he had no reason. Your backpedaling makes no difference in this case. When you made the vote, your intention was that Razmos voted for no reason, not a weak reason. This is kind of a pointless discussion anyway, based on terrible communication. It's getting nowhere.
Now on the other hand your vote on Shidoshi is kind of interesting, his reasoning is pretty clear to me. Kyrastri's making a bunch of long posts on theory and this foolishness with you without actually scumhunting. It's similar to what she did in Pokemafia, lots of big posts with the appearance of being a helpful townie, while actually just saying nothing. Plus there's that random vote on Cakes.
I don't understand how you can call my vote random. I said that it was because he's done virtually nothing Day 1 and so far today as well. It might seem like a safe vote but I do want his behaviour to stop, and with that I'm basically damned if I do, damned if I don't.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Shidoshi - 2014-09-27
Kyrastri Wrote:I said that it was because he's done virtually nothing Day 1 and so far today as well.
That's the problem, you aren't voting because you think he's mafia and want him lynched. You're just doing the pointless "vote for A until they speak up" Day 1 schtick that southperry seems to love so much. And worse, you only did it because I called you on not voting.
Edit: give me something, who do you think is suspicious? What do you think of the current vote wagons? Why is CakesXD more suspicious than the other inactive players?
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - LuvDWayULie - 2014-09-28
Gut feeling people. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
I don't want a 3-way tie though, it's quite bad to the Town. If votes are unchanged until the end, I will remove my vote and not vote instead.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Kyrastri - 2014-09-28
Sorry for the late response people, I had this response written hours ago and couldn't access southperry when it came to posting it.
Holypie Wrote:Also, mod-provided info shouldn't be relied on. In past games it was kind of a huge crutch where people were told of basically everything that happened to them (INCLUDING BEING SAVED???), which I tried to avoid in my game but kind of messed that up anyway (SORRY MAS DI'm not so much talking about night PMs, which anyone can fake and like you said may not even exist, but the role information. We can imply and figure out more about the game with the deads' role PMs.but I'm not sure which way Meta's leaning in this one. I'm inclined to believe he's going to withhold more info though.
Holypie Wrote:Kyrastri, why are you voting for Cakes?I think i responded to this already but reiteration! I'm voting CakesXD because I know nothing about him since he hasn't spoken up. He hasn't shown intent through votes (no votes) or posts at all, and I need to constantly remind myself that he's here. Which is a good thing for anti-town, but not a good thing for everyone else.
Shidoshi Wrote:Either way, there's no point focusing on the people who were soaked with smelly liquid. We don't know what it does and if it's a third party's action it means nothing towards our alignment.If there is an arsonist and if it confirms the presence of a firefighter, if they use the night skill on you or Raz (assuming it's the same action by the arsonist), would it remove the smell/gas/gasoline? I read the mafiascum wiki on it but got confused.
Shidoshi Wrote:Kyrastri gave up on his position of not voting. However, he just went and did an innocuous (and safe) vote on CakesXD for not having talked too much but without carrying much intent of lynching him. His discussion with LuvD is pointless, arguing on things that don't matter at all if he isn't convinced that LuvD is mafia. Yeah, LuvD gave poor reasoning for his behavior, but that's just standard LuvD.Sorry, but how would I go about carrying more intent of lynching someone beyond a vote? I have no intentions of dropping it until he speaks up (you yourself are encouraging voting, which he has not done either)and I don't have a double vote to force him to talk faster.
The discussion was me getting irrationally angry at stuff. Assuming he is the double voter there is little chance that he is mafia, but he's the scummiest player to me. A vote on him would be easily outweighed by his two votes, and even if we all band together and lynch him we're losing lynch power to the mafia.
Shidoshi Wrote:That's the problem, you aren't voting because you think he's mafia and want him lynched. You're just doing the pointless "vote for A until they speak up" Day 1 schtick that southperry seems to love so much. And worse, you only did it because I called you on not voting.I'm voting him because I don't know whether he could be mafia or not. It's much easier to pick out scummy behaviour when they are here, so I don't see how getting people to talk is pointless. It's not even just speaking up, it's giving something to go off of.
Edit: give me something, who do you think is suspicious? What do you think of the current vote wagons? Why is CakesXD more suspicious than the other inactive players?
And to be fair, I did point it out before you called me on not voting. I wasn't going to just jump on someone else when nothing came of me mentioning them earlier in the day.
As for suspicions:
Don't think anything of the numbers- I just took them from the playerlist.
Players
votewagons
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - LuvDWayULie - 2014-09-28
Let me settle this down first:
1. I am THE double-voter. I'm not lying, In D1, I voted for Polantaris not because I wanted to stop the lynch, but because I wanted a different perspective on people I suspected. Therefore, the vote on Polantaris. I DID NOT read the rules that tied lynch will result in a no-lynch scenario. If not, I would not have voted for Polantaris and wait for another day instead.
2. My reason on Shidoshi: Another different perspective. Yes, Kyra is playing her usual way of lengthy posts. She did that as a mafia last time, but she also did that as a Townie! So, although she did seem suspicious to me at first, I thought that Shidoshi's push on Kyra was like it was planned all along. I can't put this into better words, but I believe in "Trust no one".
[EDIT]
I'm so confused now that I don't know what to do, actually. I'll just remove my vote and see how it goes.
[EDIT X2]
It's normal to see CJ reading the thread but not commenting about the day, but I still wanna hear something from you, CJ.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - ChaoticCJ - 2014-09-28
LuvDWayULie Wrote:It's normal to see CJ reading the thread but not commenting about the day, but I still wanna hear something from you, CJ.
My post is up there. I am still thinking of theories and how to go about explaining them. Unfortunately, SP keeps cutting out for me, so I keep re-writing things.
If you do want a theory, a simple one based on simple facts, it would be that VerrKol is most likely our arsonist. This is based on 100% truth-the assumption no one has lied, but be warned this is also under meow's theory. We may not even have an arsonist, but like Kyr said, a person who can't hold it in.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - LuvDWayULie - 2014-09-28
ChaoticCJ Wrote:My post is up there. I am still thinking of theories and how to go about explaining them. Unfortunately, SP keeps cutting out for me, so I keep re-writing things.Just realized that. My apologies for not checking properly.
If you do want a theory, a simple one based on simple facts, it would be that VerrKol is most likely our arsonist. This is based on 100% truth-the assumption no one has lied, but be warned this is also under meow's theory. We may not even have an arsonist, but like Kyr said, a person who can't hold it in.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - CakesXD - 2014-09-28
[MENTION=10411]Kyrastri[/MENTION]; Not... mafia...
Nothing... special... no... power...
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Razmos - 2014-09-28
[vote] Shidoshi
My reasoning for Shidoshi: he's over aggressive. He voted for me on day one after my very first mafia post ever, for what was essentially no reason at all. I think he saw me as an acceptable scapegoat for an easy kill due to me being new. If he was mafia he could have also used the chance to remove a useful role from the town.
i'm playing defensively (my role is a defensive one) and my lack of aggressive posting is due to that. This is my first game and i'm not going gung-ho accusing people straight off the bat.
I think I am being scapegoated here. Town needs a lynch and they see me as an easy way of doing it. I wouldn't recommend it as you'd be losing a very useful role, whether you choose to believe me or not.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - meowmixx - 2014-09-28
ohayo gozaimasu! she isn't available atm so i will b ur host this post. *snores* i keep telling her to go to bed early not playing childrens games all night long.
been wanting to do this since the beginning of the game but that one won't let me [SIZE=2]*snores* -.-
[vote] Kyrastri. reason: educational purposes no fluff needed. if she dies im more than willing to share the harvest tho i do have dibs on a leg. take it as u see fit.
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*zzzzz*
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Kyrastri - 2014-09-28
ChaoticCJ Wrote:My post is up there. I am still thinking of theories and how to go about explaining them. Unfortunately, SP keeps cutting out for me, so I keep re-writing things.SP's been cutting out for me as well.
If you do want a theory, a simple one based on simple facts, it would be that VerrKol is most likely our arsonist. This is based on 100% truth-the assumption no one has lied, but be warned this is also under meow's theory. We may not even have an arsonist, but like Kyr said, a person who can't hold it in.
Could you elaborate on why you think Verr is the arsonist?
CakesXD Wrote:Kyrastri; Not... mafia...Some questions if you don't mind, since you haven't really addressed any of my main concerns:
Nothing... special... no... power...
- Are you forced to talk like that?
- If so, what is the consequence of not talking like that?
- Do you have a x posts per y pages restriction or are you just not interested in the game?
- Most people dropped their insane flavour pretty quickly, but you've kept it. Is your affliction, whatever it is, 'real'?
- What are your opinions on the other players?
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - ChaoticCJ - 2014-09-28
Kyrastri Wrote:SP's been cutting out for me as well.
Could you elaborate on why you think Verr is the arsonist?
It seems rather obvious, maybe it is just me...Anyway, meow, Kyrastri, Cakes, Hypermug, Holypie?, Polantaris(tied up), and ChaoticCJ(me) claim no action during the night. Shidoshi and Razmos are safe because they were targets. That leaves the only four members who didn't claim the "I didn't get a PM." MasPan, Neirnen, Luv, and VerrKol. Luv is double vote and possible theory below exclude him. MasPan and Neirnen, if they were arsonist wouldn't vote for their own target. It leaves VerrKol as the only one without an alibi.
In all honesty, it was just a theory to hold LuvD over, but given that there has been no real reason to lie about night actions that we have seen, it is possible. Just be aware that it is only a theory, a simple one at that-plus like Shidoshi said, we don't have enough information about the liquid.
But...in other news...we have "Smelly liquid 1", with "Gut feeling" and "Educational Body Collector" versus "Meds," "I like to mess with people," and "Mr. Blue." We are also back to a tie vote...it looks like LuvD could decide this one. I guess I will follow Shidoshi's lead and [B][vote]Holypie[B].
If anyone wants to see my choppy notes they are below.
Spoiler
Either way, to my
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Shidoshi - 2014-09-28
[MENTION=5228]Razmos[/MENTION]; if I was using you as a scapegoat I would have my vote on you, not Kyra. Day 1 you were the most suspicious for me, which of course isn't based on a whole lot since it was Day 1. Now with more posts to analyze Kyra seems more suspicious and therefore my vote is there.
[MENTION=3195]ChaoticCJ[/MENTION]; if you are going to follow my lead, why are you voting for Holypie?
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Hypermug - 2014-09-28
Kyrastri Wrote:As for suspicions:Are you kidding me? I said it wasn't a retaliation vote because it wasn't. It was day one and we hardly had anything to go by, and I didn't like the way he responded to my joke/flavour. I'm completely aware of how scummy a vote like that looks, but I've seen it done for real in the pokemon mafia (meow and pan) and the retaliator ended up being town as well.
4. Hypermug
Hyper's erring on the more suspicious side to be honest, since I kinda grouped VerrKol and Hyper together (when it comes to suspiciousness) but given Hyper the higher scum reading. He called his retaliation vote as not because Verr voted for him but because of bad vibes, which I honestly do not buy. At all.
If you want to assume I'm mafia simply because of that, then you are really jumping the gun and I honestly can't help you.
Other than that, sorry for the inactivity. I've had a busy weekend and I'm not at home.