street Wrote:If any of you have went to kerning square you would see a mess load of chars being leech for kills. I watched 70 chars with similar igns coins45,coins46,etc pop in and out of the map like clock work getting the kills. Nexon most likely was cracking down on those who are abusing the crap out of the event. The same way they took special procedures to make hot time boxes for level 30 chars instead of level 10. In addition to that the chain bans that a couple users got for creating to many maple accounts in a short period of time.

The GM was probably following orders to ban anyone that he saw leeching kills. Lets not forget hackers are also doing this event and doing the same tactics that you guys were using, but with bots.

Sorry to hear you guys got banned.

Jigsaw Wrote:Oh pomegranate, that's horrible. Well there are worse cases where people have been permanently banned from doing similar things as this in terms of the events. I really don't know what to say, I'm rather skeptical about training due to all these massive threads on the Nexon forums saying they've been banned unfairly. I hope we can get a response on this problem soon because it's clearly getting out of hand.

Soulenite Wrote:Still trying to figure out why my friend who I stalked with a rock who did his attendance all on his own got banned too. Why would Nexon ban someone who worked hard with no help?

KhainiWest Wrote:Meso would qualify under that ambiguous description.





EVERY company TOS has something along those lines. Name a game and I can find it.




No. If that were the case then anytime hackers were mass selling chairs/scrolls and/or meso transactions that were illegitimately generated, players would have not been banned. It's considered exploiting by nexon's POV and has been treated as such.



It doesn't matter, the fact is that is the rule. You can call it stupid till you're blue in the face, but if they ban you randomly because you revealed your real name or any private information, then they have the right too.

ZeekFox Wrote:Since the released hired merchant shops and wanted you to use those rather than paying a mere 1800 NX for 90 days worth of your level 16 character selling all your wares while you actually play your main character. But then again, that kinda died when everything started requiring 1 PSoK per transaction. >__>

Anyway, companies can make whatever rules they want. In this case, your rememdy is to read the ToS, decide that it's total pineappagranite and never even bother with the game in the first place.

Though I will say the inconsistency really does suck. They put things in their ToS that they don't enforce, decide to ban for unwritten rules, and the appeal system is basically a set of rules that say your only option is to place your appeal in the official Nexon Paper Shredder and Coffee Maker combo machine, and if you attempt any other form of communication, they'll point you towards the "proper" appeal system.

Vino Wrote:If mesos qualified as a violation of the ToS, then they wouldn't have made NX items purchasable through in-game means. It doesn't make sense logically, and in no way does it specify at all.
There wouldn't even be a gift option.

vino Wrote:Being unaware of an exploit that really doesn't benefit you should reasonably qualify as playing legitimately. i.e. I see a 15att work glove for 350mil. I buy it. In what world does 90% of the players have access to assess whether or not that's a duped item? Even if it was 1 meso, they could just be unbearably rich and not give a damn. If you started banning people for having no purposeful or aware involvement in something like that, then you are in the wrong.

KhainiWest Wrote:You mean MTS? If you check previous TOS' this was not added, as in the entire paragraph until the removal of MTS. it's even a "notice" within the game that nx=meso transactions are not allowed. Otherwise why can't dragonnest players (who in fact follow the same terms of service) get banned on sight for selling NX cards for gold? Because it's against the rules.



When a chaos scroll drops from 250m each to 2.5m each in a matter of hours, with no update in terms of event's, ignorance is not an excuse. When the same item with the same tag on it, all over the FM, ignorance is not an excuse. You can argue the objective morality all you want, buta new playerwill barely have 20m let alone 350m accessible to them, if they follow the rules mind you. So those examples are pretty terrible. None the less, it gives nexon the absolute authority to remove your account. Period.[/FONT]

Words Wrote:Is it possible to be certain about the methods someone used to obtain a scroll, a mastery book or some piece of gear?
Some are obvious as you pointed out, but others aren't as much and in most cases (where it isn't obvious) it's impossible to know whether any given item is legit or not.
I agree with you though... it's easy to avoid obvious exploited stuff and ignorance isn't an excuse, but it's something that pisses me off.

KhainiWest Wrote:You mean MTS? If you check previous TOS' this was not added, as in the entire paragraph until the removal of MTS. it's even a "notice" within the game that nx=meso transactions are not allowed. Otherwise why can't dragonnest players (who in fact follow the same terms of service) get banned on sight for selling NX cards for gold? Because it's against the rules.



When a chaos scroll drops from 250m each to 2.5m each in a matter of hours, with no update in terms of event's, ignorance is not an excuse. When the same item with the same tag on it, all over the FM, ignorance is not an excuse. You can argue the objective morality all you want, but a new player will barely have 20m let alone 350m accessible to them, if they follow the rules mind you. So those examples are pretty terrible. None the less, it gives nexon the absolute authority to remove your account. Period.[/FONT]

Vino Wrote:Bottom line is, they allowed you to be able to purchase NX, so that means meso-NX trading is allowed.
Real world trading is not allowed.

Vino Wrote:Chaos scrolls are now 14mil.
Back then I had no clue what prices were, "oh no, someone ban me for being a noob".

Vino Wrote:The fact that you are even attempting to establish that any big corporate company is in the right is beyond my mind.

KhainiWest Wrote:No the bottom line is they can adjust their rules accordingly, which they did. You said you read 70% of the TOS but I feel like you just did a few CNTRL F's and light reading. It is not allowed, and just because it was doesn't mean it's permanent.



"I'm new to DC, I wasn't aware that the traffic lights are on the right hand side instead of above me, no ticket pls". There is a reasonable amount of common sense, if you're an ignorant "noob" you wouldn't be caught buying 400 of them, because first off, chaos scrolls have very ambiguous descriptions. Secondly how can a noob have more than 100m without transacting with others, or even browsing the fm? Sell NX? Illegal, they deserve the ban anyway. Most people who bought 8-10 were put on temp bans and the scrolls removed, as a noob, would you care that much? No. Your examples are piss poor at base.



Quote anywhere that I said they are? They have the justified authority to do so if the rules they made up are broken. It's your own stupidity that accepted them. You don't join a game and say "THE RULES DONT APPLY TO ME NO MATTER HOW SILLY". You chose to take their service WITH that ridiculous standard laid out to you. You're trying to argue from a subjective perspective and that's not a productive conversation.

Memories Wrote:Hi bro, most if not all of your posts contains the words:TOS, Rules, etc, you're gonna get a mental diarrhea with these words anytime soon randomly spitting out too much repetitive information words that's either relevant or irrelevant.

Peace for all

KhainiWest Wrote:No the bottom line is they can adjust their rules accordingly, which they did. You said you read 70% of the TOS but I feel like you just did a few CNTRL F's and light reading. It is not allowed, and just because it was doesn't mean it's permanent.



"I'm new to DC, I wasn't aware that the traffic lights are on the right hand side instead of above me, no ticket pls". There is a reasonable amount of common sense, if you're an ignorant "noob" you wouldn't be caught buying 400 of them, because first off, chaos scrolls have very ambiguous descriptions. Secondly how can a noob have more than 100m without transacting with others, or even browsing the fm? Sell NX? Illegal, they deserve the ban anyway. Most people who bought 8-10 were put on temp bans and the scrolls removed, as a noob, would you care that much? No. Your examples are piss poor at base.



Quote anywhere that I said they are? They have the justified authority to do so if the rules they made up are broken. It's your own stupidity that accepted them. You don't join a game and say "THE RULES DONT APPLY TO ME NO MATTER HOW SILLY". You chose to take their service WITH that ridiculous standard laid out to you. You're trying to argue from a subjective perspective and that's not a productive conversation.

Soulenite Wrote:We would love some compensation out of this, but knowing Nexon now, we're not gonna get anything even if we did get unbanned falsely. I actually broke into tears cause I was always on a good record even on trades. I'm one of those highly trusted people... :c

KHazuya Wrote:All the victims who were falsely banned (duration 30-days) that happened a couple of months ago (January~April 2013) mainly on their Phantoms (it did happen on few other jobs too), didn't get any compensation at all. I lost some of my days of my Hired Merchant. Some people got banned twice in a row after they sit out the first 30-days and got another 30-days. After they fixed something they lifted our bans.

And when Hyper Evolution patch was out I got a random permanent ban on 3 accounts. On the same day when I got the ban, I submitted a ticket and 3 months later it is still unanswered.

However I got unbanned after 1 day, and since they didn't even look at my ticket which means they falsely perm banned me on 3 accounts.

The ban reasons were on all 3 the accounts different but people told me they were perm bans.

So yea I would like to have a compensation as well just like you do right now but I highly doubt they will give us anything at all.

So you were banned on the last day of Attendance season 3? Or the first day of Season 4? I was looking at the date of this thread, it could be the timezone. I don't know.

And around what time in PST did this happen?

The past 3 days I completed the attendance without any problems. I used my friend's Luminous to do the killings, while I had a mule in party leeching off my kills.

I hope you people get unbanned soon.

Vino Wrote:First of all, I don't need to read the fact that I'm not allowed to use any third party program or release private info or blah blah blah. Why? Because it doesn't apply in ANY WAY to this conversation, therefore it is ENTIRELY unrelated.
Therefore your argument is completely pointless and it just makes you seem like a pretentious pimento, which I can guarantee you are.

Vino Wrote:I am not saying they can't. I am saying that just because you have power and authority, doesn't mean that you are right.
Just because people were executed for disobeying a tyrant-king's order, doesn't mean that the king is right.
Sure, do whatever the heck you want, you are in the position to do so, just keep in mind that again, it doesn't make it right.

Vino Wrote:In this scenario, it is completely reasonable to buy something while being 100% unaware that it was duped.
Why? Because duping was a myth, at least to me. I have never seen it, never been around it, never been involved in it in any way, shape or form.
The most I could chalk up the reasoning to is that the person selling it was either extremely rich, nice or stupid, or was planning to quit.
If you see a good deal, and you're not told that you're suppose to be cautious when purchasing any item, then you should not be at fault.

Vino Wrote:Traffic lights are hard to miss, but even then, some people may get off with a warning, because it is within reasonable bounds.

Vino Wrote:If I were at a guest's house, and the rules of their household were very strict, and the owners of that household didn't care enough to establish what rules to follow - does it mean they have every right to enact every law under the book?

Vino Wrote:If it were something as simple as putting a pen away in the wrong area, do you think it would be reasonable if they scolded me and kicked me out of their house and went as far as to obtain/attempt to obtain a restraining order?

If any of those answers were yes, then you have some very weird ideals, and have no grasp at what is reasonably understandable. You also have no ability to empathize, which is linked to traits of a psychopath.

Vino Wrote:You are, by the very fact that you are trying to argue a point that I never disagreed with. There was a never a rule to begin with, therefore they have no moral right to do ban people that have followed the ToS.
If you're going to be stingy that the ToS is never followed to the T, then they might as well ban 80% of their users and lose ALL profit.

Vino Wrote:For the 29th (or 100th) and final time, my argument was that it isn't morally right, the ToS never established the rule that they "may" have banned for, and that just because you agreed to "the terms and conditions that underlines the fact that they can terminate you without justification" - doesn't mean you can't defend yourself.

Vino Wrote:When you sign a waiver that requires you admit to them having no responsibility over your death or injury, you are accepting that they don't. But you at least HOPE they would have due diligence to ensure your safety.
You don't go participate in rock climbing, get handed a form, sign it, and expect nothing but the worse.

That "terms of service/conditions" is there to protect the company from the complete morons, but it doesn't mean you have to treat the common person like they're utterly useless.
That's just bad business and horrible ethics.

Vino Wrote:The rules don't apply if there were never rules to begin with. If you start out at a new job, and it states that the manager's responsibility is to train you and inform you of what you have to know, then it is entirely their responsibility, because you have absolute NO way of knowing.

I think it's safe to say that you have particular odd and ignorant views on life in general, and perhaps you should question your own perspective.

Vino Wrote:You never copy pasted anything directly from the ToS that supported your point.
Therefore, there was never establishment that you were not allowed to buy NX/NX items with mesos.

Yet you can sell NX items through a hired merchant/permit, and you can also gift. Two options that completely defy this "made-up" rule that doesn't exist.

Real world trading =/= in game trading.

ToS Section 2.3 Wrote:You agree that you cannot and have no right to sell or otherwise transfer any of the Cash Items, Nexon currency or any other content or information included in the Service, in whole or in part, to any third person or entity whatsoever, including, without limitation, on Internet auction sites (e.g., eBay, IGE), hack sites, privates server sites, gold farming sites or in return for anything of value (including "real" money) or otherwise.

Knowledge Base Wrote:Can I trade or sell NX to other players?

No. Trading or selling NX is in direct violation of the Terms of Use, and doing either will result in account termination without warning. All NX purchases are final and NX cannot be refunded or transferred to another account.

KhainiWest Wrote:If they give you a list of things you can and cannot do, with ridiculous limitations and choose to enter the house anyway, the only psychopathic masochist is you. Why is this so hard to grasp? You're pretty much insulting yourself because you agree to be scolded over stupid sh`it. You agree they can terminate your account, and cold turkey any use of their services any time.

VerrKol Wrote:Allow me to help you out.


Or you can get the short version from


It very clearly states you cannot sell/trade NX in any shape or form. It even specifically talks about trading for things other than real money.

Vino Wrote:Let me screenshot this for you.

-snip-

Both of these, are NX bought.
Both of these, are able to be purchased.
Both of these, are only tradable, because Nexon made them tradable.