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The LoL Patches thread - Dredragon - 2012-04-27
When's the patch?
The LoL Patches thread - Five Second Pose - 2012-04-28
In theory this coming week.
The LoL Patches thread - Dark Link - 2012-04-28
Varus Patch Preview!
[video=youtube;JvxlaWSXYm8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvxlaWSXYm8[/video]
Ryze changes scare me
The LoL Patches thread - WillDaSnail - 2012-04-28
Dark Link Wrote:Varus Patch Preview!
[video=youtube;JvxlaWSXYm8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvxlaWSXYm8[/video]
Ryze changes scare me
> Looks at Ryze changes
> Item builds
> Uh Morello, Ryze players do get AA (upgrade it very last) and RoA (either get it early or mid-game), and they have done so for quite a while. In other words: nothing new here. :f6:
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About the Ryze changes: Even though the Ryze changes are obvious to a number of people here, for those that aren't too familiar, here's the reasoning why they did it -
Ryze currently has only one item path and one item path only. Item build usually consists of of Tear of the Goddess (upgrade to Archangel Staff very late), Frozen Heart, Banshee's Veil, Sorcerer's Shoes (or Merc Treads), WotA, Void Staff (for % Magic Pen) and RoA. Bolded is the most common items that Ryze players use.
Notice anything about those items? Those items give him a lot of tankiness (in the form of lots of Armor and MR) as well as LOTS of mana (and HP). Ryze loves mana because it gives him lots of damage. End result is that you got someone who's tanky and can still wreck face? Wait....
Not to mention, his abilities rely on his massive mana pool to deal tons of damage. He isn't great early game, but if Ryze holds on long enough till late game, get good amounts of farm, and get his core items, he can basically start rolling the opposing team. By late game, his mana pool will scale up to massive quantities, which translates to...tons of damage.
With that said, Ryze has been a tourney favorite because of the reasons stated above (there's also other reasons too). If a Ryze player can hold out for long (and still be able to get lots of farm and stay out of harm's way most of the time), he will scale to late game, have lots of survivability on hand, and starts rolling like a bawss. And usually in tourneys, its usually a massive farm fest for first 15-20 mintues of the match, and not a lot of champ v champ action until mid to late game comes around. And guess where Ryze will be if he gets to that point? Pretty questionable, don't you say?
With everything said, I do agree with the Ryze changes. He was a really strong champ - especially when scaled to late game - and was due for some needed nerfs to keep him in check.
The LoL Patches thread - KajitiSouls - 2012-04-28
Dark Link Wrote:Ryze changes scare me
Play the game more, then you'll be fking happy with the changes. Ryze was pretty retarded to deal with, being an AP carry whose spells you juke by running away from him instead of actually having a chance to dance with him, unlike pretty much every other caster champion.
Or don't, if you main Ryze or something.
The LoL Patches thread - Dark Link - 2012-04-28
KajitiSouls Wrote:Play the game more, then you'll be fking happy with the changes. Ryze was pretty retarded to deal with, being an AP carry whose spells you juke by running away from him instead of actually having a chance to dance with him, unlike pretty much every other caster champion.
Or don't, if you main Ryze or something.
I know how Ryze works currently. I've had the misfortune of facing him multiple times. Right now we can't give our final opinions on the changes, because we don't know the numbers.
People did the math and unless Ryze changed a lot more over the last PBE patch, he actually got buffed and is even more of a threat. Hence why I'm "scared" for the Ryze changes, because of the possibility of him being even more retarded than right now.
The LoL Patches thread - Remoir - 2012-04-28
Dark Link Wrote:I know how Ryze works currently. I've had the misfortune of facing him multiple times. Right now we can't give our final opinions on the changes, because we don't know the numbers.
People did the math and unless Ryze changed a lot more over the last PBE patch, he actually got buffed and is even more of a threat. Hence why I'm "scared" for the Ryze changes, because of the possibility of him being even more retarded than right now.
...pineapple.
Do not want even more OP Ryze '-'
The LoL Patches thread - modular - 2012-04-28
the ms on ryze ult is dumb.
im scared too, he'll be terror.
The LoL Patches thread - Dark Link - 2012-04-28
PBE Notes: 3rd edition
Ryze Ult MS Nerf
Varus Nerf on...something!
Unholy grail now stacks with Chalice, but for a reason
Athene's Unholy Grail will NOT be in the Varus patch.
Quote:Athene's Unholy Grail will not be coming next patch, but look for it soon.
The LoL Patches thread - Five Second Pose - 2012-04-28
"this will let master yi be master yi more often"
XD
The LoL Patches thread - Dredragon - 2012-04-28
About time spell flux prioritized champions. T_T
The LoL Patches thread - KajitiSouls - 2012-04-30
Dark Link Wrote:I know how Ryze works currently. I've had the misfortune of facing him multiple times. Right now we can't give our final opinions on the changes, because we don't know the numbers.
People did the math and unless Ryze changed a lot more over the last PBE patch, he actually got buffed and is even more of a threat. Hence why I'm "scared" for the Ryze changes, because of the possibility of him being even more retarded than right now.
I just did the math myself based on RoG's PBE patch notes. Yes, his damage got buffed on all fronts (approximately 1.0-1.8% with the current builds), assuming he's in range.
However, the more invisible stuff has to be considered, such as the fact that his Q range got nerfed (by 25 to 650) and he lost his mana bonus from R. This means his modestly weak early game got a bit weaker (cannot harass as well), and his time spent laning or otherwise away from fountain has been reduced a bit. Q range used to be on the high end of targeted spell range. Now it's kinda with the rest of the pack. And in terms of mana, 75 mana from level 1 R is like one spell. If he gets blue buff, he loses 67.5 mana he would otherwise have if he is in full possession of the buff for the whole duration.
His power ramp has also been scaled down as well, unless he goes for AP first. Damage scaling from mana has been nerfed overall. If he wants to get more damage faster, he could invest in a Rod of Ages or rush Archangel Staff, but that leave him more vulnerable compared to the usual tanky builds.
The thing that has me concerned is the MS boost that replaces the mana gain from R. It's like a weak version of Ghost, but just like Ghost, it can be used to catch someone, or it can be used to run away.
Overall, I'd have to say Ryze's power got shifted, for better or for worse. But as with all things PBE, better wait for the official patch notes.
The LoL Patches thread - MasPan - 2012-04-30
The speed boost is a bit scary, considering he already has a targeted snare - it's going to make both chasing him and escaping him a lot more difficult.
The LoL Patches thread - Five Second Pose - 2012-05-01
Varus delayed; spectator mode only thing in new patch
The LoL Patches thread - Razmos - 2012-05-01
Aww shucks, i was really looking forward to playing as Varus.
Do you think they'll add the next champions data in this patch like they did with Varus?
The LoL Patches thread - MasPan - 2012-05-01
[COLOR="#cc8899"]So, thinking about it - isn't there a huge potential for abuse of the spectator system if you're able to see more than whoever you're spectating? For instance, even if you can only see their team's POV, you can still call Karthus/Soraka ults for them, monitor a lane for a jungler, etc (even if it's something they're more than capable of themselves, it cuts down on stress).
If you can see the enemy team's POV, even if in-game chat is blocked while spectating, it wouldn't be difficult to start up a Skype call and pass information about wards, jungler activity, invasions, where-the-pineapple-is-Teemo/Twitch/Evelynn-hiding-at?, Baron/Dragon...
The list goes on. Why buy wards if a spectator can warn you every time? [/COLOR]
The LoL Patches thread - Malthe - 2012-05-01
MasPan Wrote:[COLOR="#cc8899"]So, thinking about it - isn't there a huge potential for abuse of the spectator system if you're able to see more than whoever you're spectating? For instance, even if you can only see their team's POV, you can still call Karthus/Soraka ults for them, monitor a lane for a jungler, etc (even if it's something they're more than capable of themselves, it cuts down on stress).Eh, there's a reason they've added a delay. It was a 3 minute delay, IIRC.
If you can see the enemy team's POV, even if in-game chat is blocked while spectating, it wouldn't be difficult to start up a Skype call and pass information about wards, jungler activity, invasions, where-the-pineapple-is-Teemo/Twitch/Evelynn-hiding-at?, Baron/Dragon...
The list goes on. Why buy wards if a spectator can warn you every time? [/COLOR]
The LoL Patches thread - MasPan - 2012-05-01
[COLOR="#cc8899"]Ah, I missed that nugget of info somewhere. 3 minutes is plenty to prevent abuse.
Also,
Patch Notes Wrote:"Surrender Vote Failed" message no longer appears to the enemy team
THANK GOD. That damned message was a dead giveaway to the enemy that your team's morale was low and that at least one person considered the game to already be lost. The same with player disconnect messages, the enemy team should not be able to know what is essentially a private vote by the team.[/COLOR]
The LoL Patches thread - KajitiSouls - 2012-05-01
Bump for patch notes.
-- Some supporty tanky melee champions got MR scaling now. This meshes with the typical MR scaling, which is 30 base + 1.25 per level.
-- Annie's Incinerate got a nice mana cost reduction. In addition, her Molten Shield is now on a much lower CD with better survivability stats. This lets her charge her stun faster! Not by much, but y'know.
-- Irelia's getting a small buff in her base stats.
-- Lulu's Glitterlance is getting nerfed. This makes her less of a plantain to deal with in solo lanes. But she's still a plantain.
-- Miss Fortune's ultimate now does physical damage. In terms of base damage and stats, this is a nerf. However, Last Whisper should change this....
-- Ryze overhaul. Yeah. See a previous post on my thoughts for this.
-- Soraka is also getting nerfs to make her less of a plantain to deal with in solo lanes. Also, Infuse no longer targets allied minions. Hooray!
-- Warwick's Hungering Strike does less damage at higher ranks. This definitely puts a hamper on his viability, since it is an ability that had a high % scaling.
-- Deathfire Grasp now supplies more AP and has a cast range of 750 instead of 650. Not too shabby! Seriously considering this item now, even though I normally don't use it.
-- Morello's Evil Tome now has more of a purpose: Grievous Wounds active.
-- Will of the Ancients got more expensive with no stat increase.
-- Summoner Heal got nerfed by 45 HP across all levels.
The LoL Patches thread - Five Second Pose - 2012-05-01
Razmos Wrote:Aww shucks, i was really looking forward to playing as Varus.
Do you think they'll add the next champions data in this patch like they did with Varus?
No, they only did that because they working on Varus and Hecarim concurrently.