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DarthIsis1 Wrote:+10 wep atk from the boost is DEFAULT.

Added 1 atk to TugboatWilly. =)

Added Frebbas.

Q: Would anyone be interested in an unscaled list?

DarthIsis1 Wrote:+10 wep atk from the boost is DEFAULT.

Added 1 atk to TugboatWilly. =)

Added Frebbas.

Q: Would anyone be interested in an unscaled list?

XtremeBeast Wrote:i'd be interested in an unscaled list.

when you say "levels the playing playing field," you mean it makes weak people stronger than they really are and makes strong people weaker. scaled ranges are created for people who can't compete. a lvl 18x with decent gear will still outdamage a 12x with godly gear. sure the 12x worked hard for gear, but so does the 18x working hard for their lvls.

TomasLuther Wrote:Using this lvl will also lower the advantages a character can get just by being a "-less" stat character, leaving the equips to be the more determinant factor to make it high in the list. Which is exactly why the list was created in the first place, to see who has the better equips no matter what lvl the character is.

TomasLuther Wrote:The list was originally made to see who has the better equips and that's all, level shouldn't take any part no matter how hard you trained, if you wanna see a list based on how hard someone trained, they can do that in Nexon's site.

But i'd like to suggest a change in the "base lvl" used in the list. I know lvl 150 was chosen because it was a more realistic lvl to achieve, but i really think the lvl used for the list should be 200 since that's the higher you can get.

Using this lvl will also lower the advantages a character can get just by being a "-less" stat character, leaving the equips to be the more determinant factor to make it high in the list. Which is exactly why the list was created in the first place, to see who has the better equips no matter what lvl the character is.

Just my 2 cents, other than that, great job you are doing here Chris <333

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Kasuhitomi Wrote:Please remove Kasuhitomi from the list at this time, I'm retired (on Night Lord, and probably my DK as well). I recently:

a) Broke Zhelm (lalalla, bored and I was drunk)
b) Broke Craven (using a 20% Clean Slate scroll, 59/8 Craven)

Going to goof off on NL whenever I un-retire, and try scrolling a 65+ att Crave -shrugs-. I wish the best of luck to the rest of the Night Lords! :]

-Lord of the Night Sky

TugboatWilly Wrote:i prefer a scaled to 150 list because it levels the playing field.

don't know if i need to post a screenshot or what but i made a slight upgrade. +3 str, +2 dex. i'll post a screenshot if needed.

HayO Wrote:Yup

XtremeBeast Wrote:i'd be interested in an unscaled list.

when you say "levels the playing playing field," you mean it makes weak people stronger than they really are and makes strong people weaker. scaled ranges are created for people who can't compete. a lvl 18x with decent gear will still outdamage a 12x with godly gear. sure the 12x worked hard for gear, but so does the 18x working hard for their lvls.

TugboatWilly Wrote:i'm not weak by any means. :f6: i just like it because i'm too lazy to level these days.

TomasLuther Wrote:The list was originally made to see who has the better equips and that's all, level shouldn't take any part no matter how hard you trained, if you wanna see a list based on how hard someone trained, they can do that in Nexon's site.

But i'd like to suggest a change in the "base lvl" used in the list. I know lvl 150 was chosen because it was a more realistic lvl to achieve, but i really think the lvl used for the list should be 200 since that's the higher you can get.

Using this lvl will also lower the advantages a character can get just by being a "-less" stat character, leaving the equips to be the more determinant factor to make it high in the list. Which is exactly why the list was created in the first place, to see who has the better equips no matter what lvl the character is.

Just my 2 cents, other than that, great job you are doing here Chris <333

Stereo Wrote:Really it just changes which equips are significant.

At level 123, it takes me about 4.8 str to equal 1 w.atk so I buy accordingly (3 atk 10 str cape > 5 atk 0 str cape and such)
At level 200, it would bump that to about 7.6 str to equal 1 w.atk, so the 5 atk cape would be better. Doesn't mean I'd buy it, just to be on top of the list...

I think the calculation should be based around the average level of the players on the list, so that their gear is close to the optimal they can buy, not the max level they could reach. I know I'm not going to reach level 200 and I suspect a lot of other people don't plan to either.

XtremeBeast Wrote:Rankings only reflect lvl not gear or damage.

An unscaled list will take into consideration BOTH gear AND lvl. Like i said, you can be 13x with godly gear but you still don't compete damage-wise against a 18x with decent gear.

Don't you wonder why not many high lvls care to post their ranges? We put time and effort into our gear and lvls. By disregarding or lvls it just means there's no value placed on our hard work. Nexon rankings would be the opposite (reflects only lvls not damage/gear).

If you can't compete on nexon ranks, then this list is for you. But i think it would be more fair to try to compete on both playing fields at the same time. Work and effort is required for gear and lvls so why not take both into consideration?

blackfirebal Wrote:Oi, Chris.
I shall post when my glove isn't crap@@

HayO Wrote:needs moar drk's