Takebacker Wrote:???? I was never in this thread referring to party situations where a hero would magically have threatened bosses to fight. Besides, sacrifice ignores PDR. Pretty much all bosses and LHC mobs have 25% or greater PDR, which is pretty much the same as 1.25x damage you get from chance attack. The only difference is chance attack and hero attacks affect more than one mob, but this argument is completely different from the mobbing/balance thing we had going on before.

Kalovale Wrote:I thought we were accounting for Sacrifice's PDR-ignoring capability to make it better than BraveSlash. I recall something about Steve's calculations back then.

Takebacker Wrote:Yeah i was just pointing it out. I think PDR between the two classes is kind of well done. Heroes ignore 40% of it, and if threaten is present then that's even less PDR + 1.25x damage. DrKs always ignore it with sac, and ignore 20% of it with impale. The problem is that PDR under 40ish% i suppose isn't really THAT big an impact on damage when ignoring is factored in but i guess damage is damage?

Also, do you think it's possible to hit 6 zak arms with dark impale? That would sure make DrKs and heroes balanced, lol. Edit: Looked at it's range and it's a LOT smaller than i thought it was. Is that even a range improvement over fury?

Takebacker Wrote:Yeah i was just pointing it out. I think PDR between the two classes is kind of well done. Heroes ignore 40% of it, and if threaten is present then that's even less PDR + 1.25x damage. DrKs always ignore it with sac, and ignore 20% of it with impale. The problem is that PDR under 40ish% i suppose isn't really THAT big an impact on damage when ignoring is factored in but i guess damage is damage?

Also, do you think it's possible to hit 6 zak arms with dark impale? That would sure make DrKs and heroes balanced, lol. Edit: Looked at it's range and it's a LOT smaller than i thought it was. Is that even a range improvement over fury?

Tamillan Wrote:If my math was correct that i did quickly, hero is actually same with the intrepid slash being slower and with the boost of advanced final attack. Yea......why did they do that when there is no change in dps. O_O

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Takebacker Wrote:???? I was never in this thread referring to party situations where a hero would magically have threatened bosses to fight. Besides, sacrifice ignores PDR. Pretty much all bosses and LHC mobs have 25% or greater PDR, which is pretty much the same as 1.25x damage you get from chance attack. The only difference is chance attack and hero attacks affect more than one mob, but this argument is completely different from the mobbing/balance thing we had going on before.

Abysseon Wrote:So is sacrifice still considered the main bossing skill for drks and dark impale becomes their new
mob move or does the new skill replace both in bossing/training?



waits for an "wtp op'd!!!" update for archmages

modular Wrote:what did they do to panic and coma?

panic hits 6 mobs and... consumes 2 orbs? ...and deals a flat 670% instead of 480% * #orbs? +darkness stuff
coma hits 6, consumes 3 orbs(?), deals 620%, 90% stun 4sec...?

spammable panic/coma with a 25% damage increase for attacks subsequent to the first and a final attack improvement to help keep your orbs a lil longer? and a nerf on intrepid slash that may be significant enough to make you want to panic instead of slash when you have your orbs from 6~10?

video please.

Locked Wrote:I don't get it, the new Dark Knight changes are terrible.

Takebacker Wrote:Sacrifice HP cost per attack was reduced to 5% from 11? Wow, DrKs looking pretty attractive now.

@ above: And adv final attack is one more way heroes get an even more ridiculous damage boost from CO.

ghostofhalo Wrote:Enrage only attacks single targets and the real comparison here is mobbing attacks. Combine that with the fact that ACB is stronger and both are faster, hit more targets, AND have more range and you have one seriously screwed up situation. If they want some sort of balance, Brave Slash needs its original range back (250% pre-BB release) and should hit 6 targets. At that point, I couldn't care less about the speed increase. If we only get to hit half as many targets, the least they can do is increase the damage to make up for the advantages the other classes have. Heroes have a massive 1v1 DPS, I understand (3.2x damage), but at training areas and LHC, that doesn't mean squat.

ShiKage Wrote:Adv. Final Attack second?

I thought the build was : 5 Brave Slash (Enough to match Brandish, or just to out-damage it), then max Adv. Combo, then max Brave Slash. Would it be wiser to get max Adv. Final Attack before finishing off Brave Slash?

ghostofhalo Wrote:All I figured out after calculating is that Brave Slash is a filler attack in any senario. At this point, I can't argue any more about it. All I can say for sure is that Heroes can no longer spam Brave Slash without using finishers, and that's assuming finishers still have their formulas that are boosted from the number of orbs you have. One top of that, Darkness at the very least needs to work on bosses or Chance Attack is rather pointless. Without seeing videos, I won't bother to discuss it anymore. I like that finishers are more worthwhile (assuming the orb boosting exists still), but one of the reasons I couldn't be bothered to play my Aran is because I had to hit so many keys rather than holding one down and activating a few others when needed. I'd rather Heroes not turn into something of that manner, especially since it's my main class.

Again, I'll be holding out for some videos. Until then, I'll keep quite.

JoeTang Wrote:umad?

Baklava Wrote:Lol you're complaining that your class is becoming too complicated to play?

oh god, this is funny.

JoeTang Wrote:You need 15 Brave Slash too outDPS Brandish. lol. 15 Brave Slash 16 Advanced Final Attack is 690% damage. 30 Brave Slash 1 Advanced Final Attack is 749.98%. Unless you're explicitly training with Panic, in which case I recommend you use Brandish + Advanced Final Attack, since Brave Slash scales so poorly, you should max Brave Slash first if you're training with it.

Gonna try looking into DPS with new Panic.

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Raph589 Wrote:Party ratio changed from 6:1 to 6:4

Kalemora Wrote:If this is the case, good news for Bishops.