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The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Locked - 2011-03-15
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:Holy. pomegranate. You overdramatize everything. This isn't high school drama.
You make too many implications, Mei.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Anonymous Moose - 2011-03-15
GunisBack Wrote:Lets just put it this way. This is good for people who normally don't buy nx, but they want to make a difference and buy some nx to fix up their character, or get that shop they've always wanted, etc. , kill 2 birds with one stone.How would I know if I am killing two birds when I can only see myself hitting one? How do I know that the money will go to japan? As I've said, I'd rather cut out the middleman and donate directly to thr relief effort. That will be the only way to avoid the same issues with 9/11 charities.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - GunisBack - 2011-03-15
Anonymous Moose Wrote:How would I know if I am killing two birds when I can only see myself hitting one? How do I know that the money will go to japan? As I've said, I'd rather cut out the middleman and donate directly to thr relief effort. That will be the only way to avoid the same issues with 9/11 charities.
THEN DO THAT.
I don't know what else you want me to tell you. Have faith in the word of a company for once? I don't know what to tell you. If you don't want to participate in this event, THEN DON'T, no one is forcing you.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - ShanghaiDizzy - 2011-03-15
Locked Wrote:You make too many implications, Mei.
Maybe it's to get post counts up. I jest of course.
GunisBack Wrote:THEN DO THAT.
I don't know what else you want me to tell you. Have faith in the word of a company for once? I don't know what to tell you. If you don't want to participate in this event, THEN DON'T, no one is forcing you.
My husband and I made a $500 donation to an organization not listed by Nexon, but it's the same. As for having faith in the word of a company, Nexon's gained my trust before, broke it, and never attempted to make amends towards it. The whole issue here is, people think they're participating in this "event" by donating to Japan through cubing-sprees, when failure to read what Nexon worded is what has been constructed otherwise. It's their misunderstanding, but it's also faulting Nexon as they to provide a more accurate and transparent message to directly set across its consumers.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Kalemora - 2011-03-15
I'm not seeing how people are getting all riled up about this. At least they're doing something, guys.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - ChaoticCJ - 2011-03-15
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:Holy. pomegranate. You overdramatize everything. This isn't high school drama.
Aren't you doing the same thing? Its not helping anyone to say this. Put your point across and argue against their point of view. Don't give more credit to a statement than it should have.
Anonymous Moose Wrote:How would I know if I am killing two birds when I can only see myself hitting one? How do I know that the money will go to japan? As I've said, I'd rather cut out the middleman and donate directly to thr relief effort. That will be the only way to avoid the same issues with 9/11 charities.
It comes down to trust. If you don't trust it don't do it, there are companies that Nexon listed that are trust-worthy. If you do trust them then do it. It's that simple.
What Nexon is doing is trying to help. Like said before, if you don't trust them they even gave you sites to directly donate money too. At least they are trying to help.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - GunisBack - 2011-03-15
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:My husband and I made a $500 donation to an organization not listed by Nexon, but it's the same. As for having faith in the word of a company, Nexon's gained my trust before, broke it, and never attempted to make amends towards it. The whole issue here is, people think they're participating in this "event" by donating to Japan through cubing-sprees, when failure to read what Nexon worded is what has been constructed otherwise. It's their misunderstanding, but it's also faulting Nexon as they to provide a more accurate and transparent message to directly set across its consumers.
Good for you, I'm proud of you for donating as much as you did. Really. If I had a job I would donate more but all I can donate is $20 through my phone via text.
Could they have been a bit better at spreading the message? Sure they probably could have, but the fault has to go to the person who doesn't read it. Also if they are unsure of what they have just read, they could check one of the various maple fansites, or even the nexon forums themselves, to find out what does and doesn't apply. It could be worded differently I guess, but to me it seems pretty clear, and all I'm saying is at least they are trying to do something nice.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Anonymous Moose - 2011-03-15
GunisBack Wrote:Have faith in the word of a company for once?
Why put trust in a company that had continuously lied to me in the past?
Quote:What Nexon is doing is trying to help.The question is, who are they trying to help? Are they honestly trying to help Japan, or are they using the crisis to attempt to increase NX sales?
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Kalovale - 2011-03-15
Sarah Wrote:edit: Kalovale I don't even know which side of the fence you're on! Each post seems like a flip flop. Please clarify.
With regards to actual actions, it's hard to decide, I feel moral responsibility in this matter, but I find it impractical to call Nexon out on it (to the mass public).
Needless to say, I don't like what they are doing but I get a hook in my throat when I try to take a side due to my lack of donation. Whatever their intentions, Nexon is still doing more positive than me.
I guess it's a good move. Raising PR AND revenue.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Takebacker - 2011-03-15
Anonymous Moose Wrote:Why put trust in a company that had continuously lied to me in the past?
The question is, who are they trying to help? Are they honestly trying to help Japan, or are they using the crisis to attempt to increase NX sales?
Considering their sister company comes from japan...and no such effort was made to help haiti if i remember correctly, i'd say you're pretty stupid to think they aren't legitimately concerned for the residents of japan that were affected by this.
I've refrained from posting in this thread because despite the positive comments on the front page from the people who actually understood Nexon's intent i knew the discussion would devolve into this. Nexon is not the boogieman. It doesn't matter if they "lied to you" in the past. They're trying to help as well as let the community help the only way they know how...even if other donation methods are available.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Zelkova - 2011-03-15
Throwing my 2 cents into the growing pile of change.
I don't see anything wrong with what Nexon is doing. Nexon is DONATING 1.2 million US Dollars of their own free will. That in itself is astounding, and I applaud them for that. Everything on top of their donation is nothing but gravy. It is their own choice to take less profit this week and to put up almost their all their wares as donations to the cause. Sure, their GAME tab makes the most money, but you also have to realize that the company is not going to take any more of a loss. They need money to pay employees and bills, just like any other business.
Congratulations on showing that you have a heart Nexon.
Applause
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The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Killed - 2011-03-15
Takebacker Wrote:Considering their sister company comes from japan...and no such effort was made to help haiti if i remember correctly, i'd say you're pretty stupid to think they aren't legitimately concerned for the residents that were affected by this.
thank you. -_-
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - GunisBack - 2011-03-15
Anonymous Moose Wrote:Why put trust in a company that had continuously lied to me in the past?
The question is, who are they trying to help? Are they honestly trying to help Japan, or are they using the crisis to attempt to increase NX sales?
Again, then don't participate. Send your money off to the Red Cross directly, or some other organization that is helping.
I don't see why you are still even repeating this, my answer is going to be the same every time. There's no point to arguing this with you because there is no argument. We could argue this Optimist vs. Pessimist viewpoint for the rest of our lives, but we won't get anywhere. If you trust nexon to help, which I do because I like to believe in people, then participate. If you don't, then don't. End of story.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Anonymous Moose - 2011-03-15
GunisBack Wrote:which I do because I like to believe in people
That is a pretty poor reason to trust someone. You should trust based on their actions. Right now, you are trusting simply because you want to. I could want to believe in people indiscriminately, but then that would leave me volnerable to frauds like Madoff.
And just to point it out, no one is debating over the 1.2million.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - GunisBack - 2011-03-15
Anonymous Moose Wrote:That is a pretty poor reason to trust someone. You should trust based on their actions. Right now, you are trusting simply because you want to. I could want to believe in people indiscriminately, but then that would leave me volnerable to frauds like Madoff.
Optimist vs. Pessimist.
Like I said we could argue this for the rest of our lives and still not get anywhere. I like to see the genuine good in people, you obviously don't.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - SwordStaker - 2011-03-15
GunisBack Wrote:Again, then don't participate. Send your money off to the Red Cross directly, or some other organization that is helping.^ Is all that needs to be said. This discussion should be over with that statement^^^^
I don't see why you are still even repeating this, my answer is going to be the same every time. There's no point to arguing this with you because there is no argument. We could argue this Optimist vs. Pessimist viewpoint for the rest of our lives, but we won't get anywhere. If you trust nexon to help, which I do because I like to believe in people, then participate. If you don't, then don't. End of story.
Anonymous Moose Wrote:That is a pretty poor reason to trust someone. You should trust based on their actions. Right now, you are trusting simply because you want to. I could want to believe in people indiscriminately, but then that would leave me volnerable to frauds like Madoff.
And just to point it out, no one is debating over the 1.2million.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Takebacker - 2011-03-15
There shouldn't even be a debate to begin with! Nexon donating 100% (!!!!!!) of it's income outside the game tab is nothing but charitable and noble, and you can't turn the entire thing around on them in spite just because they excluded the game tab, where a LOT of their NX sales comes from. You want the company who makes the game you all play to starve because they want to donate everything they have to a cause that literally cripples another Nexon division?
What if some of the people at Nexon AM have family in Japan? What if some of the people at Nexon AM HAD family in Japan? Would you trust their motivations behind this then? Idiot.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Anonymous Moose - 2011-03-15
GunisBack Wrote:Optimist vs. Pessimist.
Like I said we could argue this for the rest of our lives and still not get anywhere. I like to see the genuine good in people, you obviously don't.
Actually, it seems more like Realism vs Idealism.
In an ideal world, Nexon could be trusted with your flimsy "I want to believe" excuse, but this is reality. Not everyone is "good" and you need a stronger reason than simply belief. I mean, I could believe as hard as I could that Bush was the greatest president in the world, but would that change the fact that he got us into illegal wars, ordered the illegal detainment and torture of countless people, etc. Just like how I could believe as hard as I could that nexon hasn't wronged me and are good, but that wont change all the lies and wrongful acts they have commited.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Kalovale - 2011-03-15
GunisBack Wrote:Again, then don't participate. Send your money off to the Red Cross directly, or some other organization that is helping.
I don't see why you are still even repeating this, my answer is going to be the same every time. There's no point to arguing this with you because there is no argument. We could argue this Optimist vs. Pessimist viewpoint for the rest of our lives, but we won't get anywhere. If you trust nexon to help, which I do because I like to believe in people, then participate. If you don't, then don't. End of story.
You do realize the merit of this so-claimed stupid argument Sarah brought up, do you not? However slim the chance/amount, it DID manage to increase the awareness of a couple tens of Southperrians and correspondingly the fund going to Japan. That, or less revenue for Nexon from unknowing people, which is ALSO to my liking.
I presume there is no use arguing morals. At the end of the day, rape could very well be a natural thing for the person next to you. What can be done should be done. The question is: Is it or is it not worthwhile to actually inform the idiotic mass of the scam they are subject to?
What practical good does it do? Probably none. If someone were about to cash out their week's allowance for cubes, but then learn that it's not going to Japan. What do they do?
A/ Go for the cubes anyway, as that's what they want and the "sense" of possessing them is already in their head. It's hard to resist.
B/ Save the money. Why buy things you didn't want to begin with? If they wanted to donate, it wouldn't have mattered whether Nexon included the Game tab or not.
I personally find it unjust that this kind of thing happens and is acceptable to so many people. But overall, they've done more good than harm, even if they trick the players into buying twice the donation amount through GAME items. I still advocate educated choice, though, so it's a shitty feeling seeing people benefit off others' ignorance and not do anything about it.
The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Takebacker - 2011-03-15
So you're weighing the "crimes" "lies" and "wrongful acts" Nexon has committed against you in a video game to scrutinize a relief effort made to provide nothing but help for a nation in crisis?