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The leveling just got worse... - Link - 2010-12-13
Sarah Wrote:You guys are going to be so disappointed when Lionheart Castle hits. Guarantee it.
Well, that depends on the anticipation of those awaiting it. In some cases, it'll be terrible. In others, it'll be extremely good.
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:ShiKage, in order for us to get LionHeart castle, we still need to get into EdelStein.
I don't see how that matters. Edelstein is coming next patch, as a part of the implementation of Resistance, as that's the class' own continent. Obviously, Lion Heart Castle is still a while off, which is why I said to do something else for the time being.
The leveling just got worse... - Tigeon - 2010-12-13
Sarah Wrote:You guys are going to be so disappointed when Lionheart Castle hits. Guarantee it.
Thats a safe bet, most people will complain about anything they get. >_>
*4th Job > "wtp i got to spend 10 whole mil for a scroll or hunt bosses? This is Bull!!! Patch take so long for fail patch!"
Masteria> "OMG this are so broken, makes everything else worthless
CWK> " OMG MON is overpowered makes HT useless!"
World Tour > "OMG _____ is crap / OMG _____ is too godly, must nerf!
Potential Equips > OMG GAME BREAKING
I can type more but i think that gives a general view of how people think on maple >_>
Stereo Wrote:Maple is built with 1st-3rd job content. There's nothing wrong with quitting when you run out of new game.
All the people getting to 150+ are presumably doing it because they're fine with the game as it is. hat would send a better message to Nexon is to train up your mules so you don't have any 1st-3rd job characters anymore, and just stop buying gear/nx on your high level char.
If high levels continue dumping in NX on their gear, then obviously they're ok with how the game is.
In all honestly I really don't see the point of leveling beyond 150. Ok, maybe horntail for 160 and pink bean at 180, but really, most people don't even want to do those. By 150 on most of my characters my priority skills are maxed and im pretty much done. There isn't really anything that perks my or my friends interest in spending hours on leveling. For a person who likes to see high pretty numbers, then its their call, but for me?
Hell i just want to pap with friends, zak with friends, doom flounder, crimsonwood pq (thank you nexon for making all classes able to do this!), dragon rider pq, hell do all the pqs with my friends, and just hang out and chat with people. Maple IMHO, has one of the best chat systems in MMORPGs around (I've played several of them, and wow, I never apreciated how good maple's chat system is until now)
In the end, I've hit 14x on characters. But it isn't the level that makes me enjoy maple, its being with my friends. The leveling? Thats not a priority on my list. I'm in no competition with another for the highest damage or anything like that. I just like talking to my friends I've made on maple from the past 4 years on our little vent server, and make the days of college go by a little better~
PS I really wish they would release Visitor PQ again, me and some of my friends never got to complete the pq once on the level 120+ level, and we would really want to finish it =3
The leveling just got worse... - Sarah - 2010-12-13
Tigeon Wrote:Thats a safe bet, most people will complain about anything they get. >_>
*4th Job > "wtp i got to spend 10 whole mil for a scroll or hunt bosses? This is Bull!!! Patch take so long for fail patch!"
Masteria> "OMG this are so broken, makes everything else worthless
CWK> " OMG MON is overpowered makes HT useless!"
World Tour > "OMG _____ is crap / OMG _____ is too godly, must nerf!
Potential Equips > OMG GAME BREAKING
I can type more but i think that gives a general view of how people think on maple >_>
Those are all examples of people complaining about positive things, with the exception of 4th job. LHC is not going to be as good as people seem to be thinking, and that's why they'll be disappointed.
The leveling just got worse... - Khoi - 2010-12-13
idk if leveling got slower or not, because I have no idea where to train on my NL. :V But I might pick up my Night Walker again and just mess around. Leveling is definitely faster for lower-lvs, my bro went from 65-70 in a couple hours on his Evan.
The leveling just got worse... - SaptaZapta - 2010-12-13
Tigeon Wrote:I imagine this is whats going to happen with the typical gms player
"I want X character to be my main!)
*Levels X character to level 12x*
"This character is so boring and annoying to train, but i heard/ saw / know a friend who has Y character and loves it, and they look so cool and fun and have levleing speed. I want one"
*Levels Y character to 12x"
"I'm bored with Y character, now I want..."
You can see where I'm going with this. Typical gms players have the attention span of fish >_>
That's how it's always been, except the level at which everyone quit their "hard-to-level class" to try another used to be 5x instead of 12x.
The leveling just got worse... - Seanny - 2010-12-13
Sarah Wrote:You guys are going to be so disappointed when Lionheart Castle hits. Guarantee it.
Of course at least one person is going to complain about the HP they have.
I already am dissapointed for another reason; people are claiming that one of the points of big bang was to make a wider selection of grind-worthy spots when trashing the existence of Truckers/ Gallos (in its current state)
And whats one of the first things that gets released? a spot that outshines everywhere else supposedly.
How inconsistent. Which is it then? If gallos are broken because everyone flocks to it over everywhere else (Obvious errors made aside), then so is LHC in that regard. Unless LHC is found to be not that much faster.
The leveling just got worse... - Eos - 2010-12-13
Seanny Wrote:I already am dissapointed for another reason; people are claiming that one of the points of big bang was to make a wider selection of grind-worthy spots when trashing the existence of Truckers/ Gallos (in its current state)
And whats one of the first things that gets released? a spot that outshines everywhere else supposedly.
How inconsistent. Which is it then? If gallos are broken because everyone flocks to it over everywhere else (Obvious errors made aside), then so is LHC in that regard. Unless LHC is found to be not that much faster.
A spot that outshines everything else because it's the only content designed for those levels is not being inconsistent in the slightest.
Spots that outshine everything else for multiple level ranges because they weren't part of the plan in the first place and have completely disproportional hp:xp from the rest of the world - That is inconsistent.
Your logic need work.
The leveling just got worse... - Sarah - 2010-12-13
Seanny Wrote:Of course at least one person is going to complain about the HP they have.
I already am dissapointed for another reason; people are claiming that one of the points of big bang was to make a wider selection of grind-worthy spots when trashing the existence of Truckers/ Gallos (in its current state)
And whats one of the first things that gets released? a spot that outshines everywhere else supposedly.
How inconsistent. Which is it then? If gallos are broken because everyone flocks to it over everywhere else (Obvious errors made aside), then so is LHC in that regard. Unless LHC is found to be not that much faster.
Okay first of all, you completely missed the point of my post. LHC is not going to be the godly training area people are making it out to be. It's getting all hyped up and when it turns out be just as slow or only slightly better than anywhere else, they're going to complain. That's what I'm saying.
The other thing, in regards to the rest of your post, is that Gallos is an error, THAT is why people are trashing it. LHC was purposely made to be better experience, Gallos is only better experience as the result of an oversight. If it were good experience as the result of them balancing and making it slightly better to comparable areas then it wouldn't be an issue at all.
Finally, LHC is incomparable to any other area we have in the game to date. You need a good party to make any use of it.
The leveling just got worse... - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2010-12-13
I'm guessing LHC will be no better than CWK at this point. EXP-wise there will be a difference, but for all intense and purpose it will be more or less of the same.
The leveling just got worse... - Seanny - 2010-12-13
Sarah Wrote:Okay first of all, you completely missed the point of my post. LHC is not going to be the godly training area people are making it out to be. It's getting all hyped up and when it turns out be just as slow or only slightly better than anywhere else, they're going to complain. That's what I'm saying.
The other thing, in regards to the rest of your PRETTY RIDICULOUS post, is that Gallos is an error, THAT is why people are trashing it. LHC was purposely made to be better experience, Gallos is only better experience as the result of an oversight. If it were good experience as the result of them balancing and making it slightly better to comparable areas then it wouldn't be an issue at all.
Finally, LHC is incomparable to any other area we have in the game to date. You need a good party to make any use of it.
People have argued against Gallos and Truckers claiming that mob balance was one of the points of big bang. I am pretty sure that LHC still goes against that in that sense. I'm well aware that the area needs fixing; Thats what i meant in the parentheses there "(Obvious errors made aside.)" Other people have spoken out in other threads against the thought of world tour and masteria being better than kMS mobs, in other threads.
I'm not arguing for glitched areas, That would be PRETTY RIDICULOUS. I brought up truckers/gallos BECAUSE that subject was where i 1st heard of it; I'm questioning one of the supposed elements of Big Bang. The mob balance thing; Sure it needs a party, but there's a lot of maps already in existence that do benefit from having at least one partner on the map.
@ EoS, The mob data for LHC has most of the mobs in the levels between 110-130. We have mobs that go up to 160 currently. I think that does overlap some of Leafre's and possibly ludi's grinding content. Unless there's some Lv 160 requirement that i missed there i'm not sure what i'm missing here.
The leveling just got worse... - Takebacker - 2010-12-13
I think the videos around of LHC more than proves the exp gain in a party is more than satisfactory compared to what we have currently. Even on base non-partied exp if you kill the mobs fast enough it could prove to be better than O4, and the 250% bonus will be extremely sexy since 2x cards were taken away. I jizz at the thought of what the exp would be in a party of 6 at beowolves with HS 1.2/1.5x rep and dice 6 buff.
The leveling just got worse... - KhainiWest - 2010-12-13
cronnoponno Wrote:I now see the reason Herborist has been being vetoe'd everytime he posts. Fun Fact: Just because he posts in a rude way to help emphasise a point doesn't mean he's trolling, and it does not mean he's being a jackass.
What if I said I'm just a bit annoyed at the whiners who think they're better than everyone cause they're level 160+ and that they deserve easier training and we're total idiots because we're not bowing down to them? Of course, that's exactly their intention.
See how fail that sounds?
Explain too me, while you're not making out with herb for a sec, why we don't deserve easeier training when it takes, currently, nearly 20-25 hours to get one level.
The leveling just got worse... - Worthyness - 2010-12-13
Tigeon Wrote:I imagine this is whats going to happen with the typical gms player
"I want X character to be my main!)
*Levels X character to level 12x*
"This character is so boring and annoying to train, but i heard/ saw / know a friend who has Y character and loves it, and they look so cool and fun and have levleing speed. I want one"
*Levels Y character to 12x"
"I'm bored with Y character, now I want..."
You can see where I'm going with this. Typical gms players have the attention span of fish >_>
BWAHAHHAHAH that's how i am :3
Except i play with ALL my characters and they're pretty much evenely leveled. i have 2, 4th job characters (not including my bishop who got leeched. don't really care about that one; just use it as an hs/bless mule).
When i get bored of one character, i go play the other. When i don't feel like training, i go boss with another one. I use my boredom to my advantage
P.S. After BB is the fastest i've EVER gone from 90-103. EVER. It took my Bowmaster (ranger at the time of course) almost 3 weeks to get from 90-100 back in the day. My CB just got from 90-102 in less than a week. RIDICULOUS training for lower levels. Can't say much about higher levels cause i'm only in the 14x on my over 120 cahracters. :/
The leveling just got worse... - ghostofhalo - 2010-12-13
Worthyness Wrote:Can't say much about higher levels cause i'm only in the 14x on my over 120 cahracters. :/157 Hero, 5-6% per hour pre-BB (2-hit Skeles), 7-8% per hour post-BB (3-hit Nest Golems). There isn't much of a difference for players who aren't crazy funded with % potential gear. I'm more so just dragging myself up in levels until LHC releases. Monster Magnet at least makes it easier to manage. I only wish that El Nath was a bit better for higher levels. It's amazingly fun there to train as a Hero/DrK since you can drop down, pull the Lycanthropes to you, Brave Slash/Crusher them, and repeat until you hit the bottom where there's magically a portal that takes you back to the top. Even 30 levels lower than me, I was still getting 6% an hour and having fun doing it. It's a shame other areas can't be fun, but that could be because I lack speed equips or Decent Haste.
The leveling just got worse... - Locked - 2010-12-13
Sarah Wrote:Okay first of all, you completely missed the point of my post. LHC is not going to be the godly training area people are making it out to be. It's getting all hyped up and when it turns out be just as slow or only slightly better than anywhere else, they're going to complain. That's what I'm saying.
er..
Zombies: (Level 132)
145,000 HP
2,529 EXP
HP/EXP ratio: 57.3
Sample mob at Lionheart Castle: (Level 125)
HP: 11,500,000
EXP: 249,360
HP/EXP ratio: 46.11
This isn't counting the exp buff when training with 6 people in your party. Every mob in Lionheart Castle is a boss tagged monster, so having 30% bossing damage would help you. Counting the exp buff you receive at lionheart castle and factoring in party reduction would give you 412905 exp. Buffing the HP/EXP ratio to 27.85 HP per EXP awarded.
I wonder how outdated that thread with the mobs is, since that's where I got the values.
The leveling just got worse... - Sarah - 2010-12-13
Locked Wrote:er..
Zombies: (Level 132)
145,000 HP
2,529 EXP
HP/EXP ratio: 57.3
Sample mob at Lionheart Castle: (Level 125)
HP: 11,500,000
EXP: 249,360
HP/EXP ratio: 46.11
This isn't counting the exp buff when training with 6 people in your party. Every mob in Lionheart Castle is a boss tagged monster, so having 30% bossing damage would help you. Counting the exp buff you receive at lionheart castle and factoring in party reduction would give you 412905 exp. Buffing the HP/EXP ratio to 27.85 HP per EXP awarded.
I wonder how outdated that thread with the mobs is, since that's where I got the values.
Truth be told I'm making a not-so-huge assumption based on the fact that every other patch anyone has ever been excited about having been a flop. There's always something people forget to account for or just aren't aware of that makes it end up bombing.
The leveling just got worse... - Dusk - 2010-12-13
Locked Wrote:er..
Zombies: (Level 132)
145,000 HP
2,529 EXP
HP/EXP ratio: 57.3
Sample mob at Lionheart Castle: (Level 125)
HP: 11,500,000
EXP: 249,360
HP/EXP ratio: 46.11
This isn't counting the exp buff when training with 6 people in your party. Every mob in Lionheart Castle is a boss tagged monster, so having 30% bossing damage would help you. Counting the exp buff you receive at lionheart castle and factoring in party reduction would give you 412905 exp. Buffing the HP/EXP ratio to 27.85 HP per EXP awarded.
I wonder how outdated that thread with the mobs is, since that's where I got the values.
Don't forget that at LHC you can actually be constantly attacking instead of moving around the map trying to get spawn. The more funded you are, the better LHC will be for you, whereas in normal training, funding past a relatively easy point to reach makes very little difference on your exp gain.
The leveling just got worse... - ghostofhalo - 2010-12-13
Dusk Wrote:Don't forget that at LHC you can actually be constantly attacking instead of moving around the map trying to get spawn. The more funded you are, the better LHC will be for you, whereas in normal training, funding past a relatively easy point to reach makes very little difference on your exp gain.Funding affects both equally. It's not easily shown with traditional training due to the fact that DPS is meaningless. All that matters is hits-to-kill. If you kill something in 3 hits, you'll need to fund yourself a significant amount in order to 2-hit the monster. At that point, the experience/hour rises quite a fair amount. With LHC, even the slightest damage boost increases training time. If you can knock out 11.5M HP in 4 minutes and you boost your damage by even 3%, the time it takes to kill drops by about 7.2 seconds. It doesn't seem like much at first, but it requires a lot less funding to train faster. If you 3-hit kill a mob and you want to 2-hit kill it, you'll need to raise your damage by about 50%. Doing that would also decrease the time to kill the LHC mob down to 2 minutes 40 seconds. Figuring out which is ideally better based on funding is tough to factor because you'd effectively have to test each senario several times to get an average time to gain X% of experience and then compare.
The leveling just got worse... - Baklava - 2010-12-13
It's only highly regarded right now because there's no Malaysia/Jipang/Masteria/ETC in KMS.
For GMS it would probably only be average training but it's the best in KMS.
The leveling just got worse... - Takebacker - 2010-12-13
Baklava Wrote:It's only highly regarded right now because there's no Malaysia/Jipang/Masteria/ETC in KMS.
For GMS it would probably only be average training but it's the best in KMS.
Except currently none of those places have maps that are good for characters that LHC caters to except the broken ones and even then LHC would be faster.
I'm more excited for the level 120 gloves than anything anyway. L> decent SE and haste. T.T