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[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Dusk - 2010-11-19
How is it that you always manage to skew your calculations to fit your initial conclusions? Your skill damage values match neither the base damage nor the average damage factoring in crits, and somehow dividing 1912.5 by 1.11 gives you a number bigger than 1912.5.
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Big Bang:
Average crit chance = 15%
Average crit damage = 35%
Average crit multiplier = 1.0525
BStep 1110 ms = 600 * 2 = 1200 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 1894.50 / 1.11 = [b]1707% / sec[/b] - 3.60 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
BSteal 1290 ms = 600 * 2 + 375 = 1575 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2486.53 / 1.29 = [b]1928% / sec[/b] - 4.65 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
BBoT 1290 ms = 600 * 2 + 493.75 = 1693 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2672.82 / 1.29 = [b]2072% / sec[/b] - 4.65 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
BSBlow 1410 ms = 600 * 2 + 112.5 * 6 = 1875 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2960.16 / 1.41 = [b]2099% / sec[/b] - 11.35 hits/sec
BAssaulter 1590 ms = 600 * 2 + 362.5 * 3 = 2287.5 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 3611.39 / 1.59 = [b]2271% / sec[/b] - 6.29 hits/sec
ME Normal 750 ms = 240 * 10 = 2400 / 0.75 = 3200% / sec
ME Boss 750 ms = 240 * 15 = 3600 / 0.75 = 4800% / secCode:
KMST 1.2.353:
Average crit chance = 15%
Average crit damage = 35%
Average crit multiplier = 1.0525
BStep 1110 ms = 630 * 2 = 1260 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 1989.23 / 1.11 = [b]1792% / sec[/b] - 3.60 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
BSteal 1290 ms = 630 * 2 + 390 = 1650 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2604.94 / 1.29 = [b]2019% / sec[/b] - 4.65 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
BBoT 1290 ms = 630 * 2 + 565.5 = 1825.5 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2881.22 / 1.29 = [b]2234% / sec[/b] - 4.65 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
BSBlow 1410 ms = 630 * 2 + 117 * 6 = 1962 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 3097.51 / 1.41 = [b]2197% / sec[/b] - 11.35 hits/sec
BAssaulter 1590 ms = 630 * 2 + 377 * 3 = 2391 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 3774.79 / 1.59 = [b]2374% / sec[/b] - 6.29 hits/sec
ME Normal 750 ms = 240 * 10 = 2400 / 0.75 = 3200% / sec
ME Boss 750 ms = 240 * 15 = 3600 / 0.75 = 4800% / sec[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Devil - 2010-11-19
Haha, that Bstep-only DPS calc from me was pure magic!
No idea how I did that mutliple times in a row... o.0And yes, you're correct, critical damage also has it's mastery now, forgot about that, geez, so many things change these days with maple... lol! :+)
However, it seems BoT is not affected by Bstep's damage upgrade, unless you have some data about this? Also, BoT would outdamage SBlow in DPS... Sounds weird to me.
So without Bstep-BoT upgrade:
Code:
[U][B]Big Bang:[/B][/U]
Average crit chance = 15%;
Average crit damage = 35%
Average crit multiplier = 1.0525
[B]BStep[/B] 1110 ms = 600 * 2 = 1200 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 1894.50 / 1.11 = [b]1707% / sec[/b] - 3.60 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
[B]BSteal[/B] 1290 ms = 600 * 2 + 375 = 1575 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2486.53 / 1.29 = [b]1928% / sec[/b] - 4.65 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
[B]BBoT[/B] 1290 ms = 600 * 2 + 395 = 1595 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2518.11 / 1.29 = [b]1952% / sec[/b] - 4.65 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
[B]BSBlow [/B] 1410 ms = 600 * 2 + 112.5 * 6 = 1875 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2960.16 / 1.41 = [b]2099% / sec[/b] - 11.35 hits/sec
[B]BAssaulter[/B] 1590 ms = 600 * 2 + 362.5 * 3 = 2287.5 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 3611.39 / 1.59 = [b]2271% / sec[/b] - 6.29 hits/sec
[B]ME Normal[/B] 750 ms = 240 * 10 = 2400 / 0.75 = [B]3200% / sec[/B]
[B]ME Boss[/B] 750 ms = 240 * 15 = 3600 / 0.75 = [B]4800% / sec[/B]Code:
[U][B]KMST 1.2.353:[/B][/U]
Average crit chance = 15%
Average crit damage = 35%
Average crit multiplier = 1.0525
[B]BStep [/B] 1110 ms = 630 * 2 = 1260 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 1989.23 / 1.11 = [b]1792% / sec[/b] - 3.60 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
[B]BSteal[/B] 1290 ms = 630 * 2 + 390 = 1650 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2604.94 / 1.29 = [b]2019% / sec[/b] - 4.65 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
[B]BBoT[/B] 1290 ms = 630 * 2 + 435 = 1695 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2675.98 / 1.29 = [b]2074% / sec[/b] - 4.65 hits/sec (Multi-Hit)
[B]BSBlow[/B] 1410 ms = 630 * 2 + 117 * 6 = 1962 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 3097.51 / 1.41 = [b]2197% / sec[/b] - 11.35 hits/sec
[B]BAssaulter[/B] 1590 ms = 630 * 2 + 377 * 3 = 2391 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 3774.79 / 1.59 = [b]2374% / sec[/b] - 6.29 hits/sec
[B]ME Normal[/B] 750 ms = 240 * 10 = 2400 / 0.75 = [B]3200% / sec[/B]
[B]ME Boss[/B] 750 ms = 240 * 15 = 3600 / 0.75 = [B]4800% / sec[/B]Question for JoeTang: Can you test if BoT is affected by Bstep's damage boost?
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Dusk - 2010-11-19
The Korean skill detail for Boomerang Step is:
액티브 효과 : MP 40 소비, 4명의 적에게 630% 데미지로 2번 공격, 90% 확률로 4초간 기절
패시브 효과 : 새비지블로우, 스틸, 어썰터, 시브즈의 데미지 30% 증가
Active effects: consume 40 MP, attack 4 enemies for 630% damage 2 times, 90% chance to stun for 4 seconds
Passive effects: Savage Blow, Steal, Assaulter, Band of Thieves damage increased by 30%
You can check the skill names with the tables if you want. I don't see any reason why Band of Thieves wouldn't be boosted in GMS, but I guess it's worth testing.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Devil - 2010-11-19
Google Translate from Fiel's extractions:
Active effects: MP 40 consumption, 4 and 2 times the damage to the enemy attack 630%, 90% chance to stun four seconds \ n Passive Effect: saebijibeulrowoo (Savage Blow), steel (Steal), eosseolteo (Assaulter), Shiv jeu (LOL? Band of Thieves?) 30% increase in damage
Shiv jeu translates into Band of Thieves?
Edit:
Korean 3rd job BoT Skillname: 시브즈 -> Sibeujeu
Korean 4th job Bstep BoT Reference name: 시브즈의 -> Exclusive of jeu
First three symbols are the same, hmmm I guess BoT is indeed affected by Bstep upgrade!
Still weird that a 3rd job mob skill (BoT) outdamages a 2nd job single target skil (SBlow) with one upgrade... I smell another SBlow upgrade coming! Or a BoT nerf... :o
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - JoeTang - 2010-11-19
Dusk Wrote:The Korean skill detail for Boomerang Step is:
액티브 효과 : MP 40 소비, 4명의 적에게 630% 데미지로 2번 공격, 90% 확률로 4초간 기절
패시브 효과 : 새비지블로우, 스틸, 어썰터, 시브즈의 데미지 30% 증가
Active effects: consume 40 MP, attack 4 enemies for 630% damage 2 times, 90% chance to stun for 4 seconds
Passive effects: Savage Blow, Steal, Assaulter, Band of Thieves damage increased by 30%
You can check the skill names with the tables if you want. I don't see any reason why Band of Thieves wouldn't be boosted in GMS, but I guess it's worth testing.
The increase is definitely there, despite the skill description not including it. To be honest, I had completely overlooked this aspect of Boomerang Step until I saw the skill in GMST again.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - hamad138 - 2010-11-19
im wondering, if u use Shadow Partner , How many Coins will drop?
I think many will drop.
So u could 1min attack and than bomb all the mesos
SP does ME TOO XD!
lol
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Devil - 2010-11-19
hamad138 Wrote:I\m wondering, if u use Shadow Partner, how many Coins will drop? -> SP also triggers PickPocket Coin drops!Uhm, I did some calcs on that (oh noes, more Devil calcs!)
I think many will drop.
So u could 1min attack and than bomb all the mesos
SP does ME TOO XD!
lol
Code:
[B][U]Big Bang:[/U][/B]
[B]SBlow [/B] 720 ms = 112.5 * 6 = 675 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 1065.65625 / 0.72 = 1480.07812% / sec
12(Hits) * 0.8(PP) = 9.6 Coins/Combo
15/9.6 = 1.5625 Sblows needed for 15 Coins
720 * 1.5625 = 1125 ms + 750 ms = 1875ms
[B]SBlow / ME Normal Combo[/B] = 1480.07812 * 1.125 = 1665.08789 + 2400 = 4065.08789 / 1.875 = [B]2168% DPS[/B]
[B]SBlow / ME Boss Combo[/B] = 1480.07812 * 1.125 = 1665.08789 + 3600 = 5265.08789 / 1.875 = [B]2808% DPS[/B]
[B]BSBlow[/B] 1410 ms = 600 * 2 + 112.5 * 6 = 1875 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2960.15625 / 1.41 = 2099.40159% / sec
16(Hits) * 0.8(PP) = 12.8 Coins/Combo
15/12.8 = 1.171875 BSBlows needed for 15 Coins
1410 * 1.171875 = 1652.34375 ms + 750 ms = 2402.34375ms
[B]BSBlow / ME Normal Combo[/B] = 2099.40159 * 1.16523 = 2446.29490 + 2400 = 4846.29490 / 2.40234 = [B]2017% DPS[/B]
[B]BSBlow / ME Boss Combo[/B] = 2099.40159 * 1.16523 = 2446.29490 + 3600 = 6046.29490 / 2.40234 = [B]2516% DPS[/B]Code:
[B][U]KMST 1.2.353:[/U][/B]
[B]SBlow[/B] 720 ms = 117 * 6 = 702 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 1108.2825 / 0.72 = 1539.28125% / sec
12(Hits) * 0.8(PP) = 9.6 Coins/Combo
15/9.6 = 1.5625 Sblows needed for 15 Coins
720 * 1.5625 = 1125 ms + 750 ms = 1875ms
[B]SBlow / ME Normal Combo[/B] = 1539.28125 * 1.125 = 1731.69140 + 2400 = 4131.69140 / 1.875 = [B]2203% DPS[/B]
[B]SBlow / ME Boss Combo[/B] = 1539.28125 * 1.125 = 1731.69140 + 3600 = 5331.69140 / 1.875 = [B]2843% DPS[/B]
[B]BSBlow[/B] 1410 ms = 630 * 2 + 117 * 6 = 1962 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 3097.5075 / 1.41 = 2196,81382% / sec
16(Hits) * 0.8(PP) = 12.8 Coins/Combo
15/12.8 = 1.171875 BSBlows needed for 15 Coins
1410 * 1.171875 = 1652.34375 ms + 750 ms = 2402.34375ms
[B]BSBlow / ME Normal Combo[/B] = 2196.81382 * 1.16523 = 2559.80298 + 2400 = 4959.80298 / 2.40234 = [B]2064% DPS[/B]
[B]BSBlow / ME Boss Combo[/B] = 2196.81382 * 1.16523 = 2559.80298 + 3600 = 7049.27581 / 2.40234 = [B]2564% DPS[/B]Again, correct me if I'm wrong here, but from these numbers I would say:
- Savage Blow + Meso Explosion (+Greed) = Strongest (Immobile) Boss Attack
- Boomerang Step + BoT / Steal = Strongest Grinding Combo at normal mobs
- Boomerang Step + BoT / Steal + Meso Explosion (+Greed) = Strongest Grinding Combo at Lionheart Castle (Multi-hit with Bstep + BoT / Steal)
Ok, back to Savage Blowing the crap out of every Immobile Boss!!! This time with VVTF BOOM included!!!
Oh yeah, when attacking Zakum / Horntail arms (any multi-hit boss), you should use Bstep + Steal/BoT.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - fodjgngf - 2010-11-19
Whats up with dual blade SP now? All the damages i've seen from videos is so close to the main skill damage.. is it based off previous damage now or what?
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - ultimax21 - 2010-11-19
ultimax21 Wrote:From what talked about in page 5, it looks like mirror image changed a bit but theres no details about this happening. In BB itself, it looks like mirror image changed to using your skill dmg with your base range probably in there but it never does criticals. From the restructuring, mirror image finally does criticals but I'm not exactly sure how the dmg % works it looks like 70% of your initial hit instead.
Compare these vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oz_GtyFST4 (big bang)
http://channel.pandora.tv/channel/video.ptv?ref=em_nom&ch_userid=kdh_001&prgid=40098872 (restructured version)
This video might be easier to load for the restructured http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_XPXc0QAhY but it looks like its doing 70% of the damage that you just last hit rather than 70% of your base range.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - octopusprime - 2010-11-20
Devil Wrote:Uhm, I did some calcs on that (oh noes, more Devil calcs!)
Code:[B][U]Big Bang:[/U][/B]
[B]SBlow [/B] 720 ms = 112.5 * 6 = 675 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 1065.65625 / 0.72 = 1480.07812% / sec
12(Hits) * 0.8(PP) = 9.6 Coins/Combo
15/9.6 = 1.5625 Sblows needed for 15 Coins
720 * 1.5625 = 1125 ms + 750 ms = 1875ms
[B]SBlow / ME Normal Combo[/B] = 1480.07812 * 1.125 = 1665.08789 + 2400 = 4065.08789 / 1.875 = [B]2168% DPS[/B]
[B]SBlow / ME Boss Combo[/B] = 1480.07812 * 1.125 = 1665.08789 + 3600 = 5265.08789 / 1.875 = [B]2808% DPS[/B]
[B]BSBlow[/B] 1410 ms = 600 * 2 + 112.5 * 6 = 1875 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 2960.15625 / 1.41 = 2099.40159% / sec
16(Hits) * 0.8(PP) = 12.8 Coins/Combo
15/12.8 = 1.171875 BSBlows needed for 15 Coins
1410 * 1.171875 = 1652.34375 ms + 750 ms = 2402.34375ms
[B]BSBlow / ME Normal Combo[/B] = 2099.40159 * 1.16523 = 2446.29490 + 2400 = 4846.29490 / 2.40234 = [B]2017% DPS[/B]
[B]BSBlow / ME Boss Combo[/B] = 2099.40159 * 1.16523 = 2446.29490 + 3600 = 6046.29490 / 2.40234 = [B]2516% DPS[/B]
Code:[B][U]KMST 1.2.353:[/U][/B]
[B]SBlow[/B] 720 ms = 117 * 6 = 702 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 1108.2825 / 0.72 = 1539.28125% / sec
12(Hits) * 0.8(PP) = 9.6 Coins/Combo
15/9.6 = 1.5625 Sblows needed for 15 Coins
720 * 1.5625 = 1125 ms + 750 ms = 1875ms
[B]SBlow / ME Normal Combo[/B] = 1539.28125 * 1.125 = 1731.69140 + 2400 = 4131.69140 / 1.875 = [B]2203% DPS[/B]
[B]SBlow / ME Boss Combo[/B] = 1539.28125 * 1.125 = 1731.69140 + 3600 = 5331.69140 / 1.875 = [B]2843% DPS[/B]
[B]BSBlow[/B] 1410 ms = 630 * 2 + 117 * 6 = 1962 * 1.0525 * 1.5 = 3097.5075 / 1.41 = 2196,81382% / sec
16(Hits) * 0.8(PP) = 12.8 Coins/Combo
15/12.8 = 1.171875 BSBlows needed for 15 Coins
1410 * 1.171875 = 1652.34375 ms + 750 ms = 2402.34375ms
[B]BSBlow / ME Normal Combo[/B] = 2196.81382 * 1.16523 = 2559.80298 + 2400 = 4959.80298 / 2.40234 = [B]2064% DPS[/B]
[B]BSBlow / ME Boss Combo[/B] = 2196.81382 * 1.16523 = 2559.80298 + 3600 = 7049.27581 / 2.40234 = [B]2564% DPS[/B]
Again, correct me if I'm wrong here, but from these numbers I would say:
- Savage Blow + Meso Explosion (+Greed) = Strongest (Immobile) Boss Attack
- Boomerang Step + BoT / Steal = Strongest Grinding Combo at normal mobs
- Boomerang Step + BoT / Steal + Meso Explosion (+Greed) = Strongest Grinding Combo at Lionheart Castle (Multi-hit with Bstep + BoT / Steal)
Ok, back to Savage Blowing the crap out of every Immobile Boss!!! This time with VVTF BOOM included!!!
Oh yeah, when attacking Zakum / Horntail arms (any multi-hit boss), you should use Bstep + Steal/BoT.
I still think that Bstep + savage would be better even on mobs just because of coin generation for ME.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - JoeTang - 2010-11-20
octopusprime Wrote:I still think that Bstep + savage would be better even on mobs just because of coin generation for ME.
It's something Shadowers will have to practice themselves. ME training with Pickpocket is hard. It's really hard. To do it with Savage Blow generating the coins would mean you have to lure with Band of Thieves. If you don't want to recast Pick Pocket each time you lure, your Band of Thieves will be dropping coins like crazy, and if the monsters aren't far enough away from that, you'll waste a lot of time blowing up coins you don't want to. And then when they are all stacked together, you can't always guarantee they'll be inside the range for ME from the Savage Blow coins anyways. A lot of monsters aren't even strong enough to be worth the setup time to exclusively train with ME. Most of the time, it's just a pile of coins left over with Pick Pocket that you can explode because something spawned on it.
The most practical example of using Meso Explosion with Savage Blow Pick Pocket possible is Gobies (which suck by the way). You Savage Blow the house for coins and when it breaks, you can ME right away to kill the six Gobies immediately. Of course, you can also miss, and then they get everywhere and you'll never hit them with ME again.
The most popular training maps are best designed for Band of Thieves. ME has a lot less practical use on them because of the way the platforms are laid out. Band of Thieves lets you hit tops and bottoms because of its high range, but ME can't hit anything not on the platform the coins are on.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Kalovale - 2010-11-20
How long do the coins last on the ground?
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - JoeTang - 2010-11-20
Kalovale Wrote:How long do the coins last on the ground?
Too long. They last 3 minutes. Although that is really good for Shadow Partner + ME after it expires at bosses.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Kalovale - 2010-11-20
Blade Fury reminds me strongly of something....
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Death - 2010-11-20
Kalovale Wrote:Blade Fury reminds me strongly of something....
wich is? o-o
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Satellite - 2010-11-21
Buff for DB? That pineappleing OP class doesn't need any buff.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Locked - 2010-11-21
Satellite Wrote:Buff for DB? That pineappleing OP class doesn't need any buff.
>Buff
>All skills nerfed
Only thing that changed was the damage formula for DBs. Everything else was nerfed.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Satellite - 2010-11-21
The problem is not that they are mix of Shadower and NL. The problem is that they are mix of Shadow, NL, Bowmaster, MM and Warrior
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - Locked - 2010-11-21
Satellite Wrote:The problem is not that they are mix of Shadower and NL. The problem is that they are mix of Shadow, NL, Bowmaster, MM and Warrior
I don't get it.
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills - 0^2 - 2010-11-21
It has abilities of all of them?