FrozNlite Wrote:Nice stuff Isaac. Hearing about what this does to the economy makes me, like so many others, want to stockpile ores and crystals up the wazoo for appraisal. This thread is basically our prior knowledge at a good stock that some choose to invest in; of course that's a federal crime irl, but it's nice that here it's simply an advantage ;D.

A few questions though:

[SIZE="4"]1. [/SIZE]Doesn't this whole system fundamentally screw over lukless classes and others? For example, I'm planning on resetting to lukless, and thinking of my future equips (zhelm, YWG, YSS, Dark Starlight, Maple Shield, Cape, Earrings, Ele Wand, HT Pendant, etc.), NONE of those are the BASIC equips of a class at a certain level. In other words, this maker system only benefits those that use the base equips of a class, correct? And for those of us who may be lukless but have enough luk from pendant and zhelm to wear a lvl 38 robe and lvl 40 gloves, we're STILL screwed over because you can't make those level of equips?

[SIZE="4"]2. [/SIZE]This is kind of a question off of number 1, but in the event everything I asked in the first question is true, what effects did all of that information have on jMS? Are all the old lukless Magicians now raising their luk ever so much so they can be wearing forged level 50 overalls or whatnot they can add +15 INT to the overall(in other words people choosing to raise luk by 10 to add 15 INT to an equip and get a net matk gain)? This kind of planning is stuff I'd like to be doing soon.

[SIZE="4"]3. [/SIZE]Another similar question, in a scenario-style way: so Maple Magician Shields have +2 INT and 10 slots, meaning the best shield possible is 22/30. However, can this skill be used to forge, say, a clean Esther Shield with +15 INT, so you would have a +17 INT 7 slot Esther? Then that Esther Shield's best possible stats become 31/21, an equip equal in power but better for MP gain in the long run, plus more readily available than MMShields(presumably, since you could constantly forge them rather than have to wai for events)? So in the end, in other words, are people ditching Maple Shields and shields with 10 slots for godly clean Esthers, etc.?

I think in the end my three questions can be summed up like this: What does the Maker skill and everything it entails mean for people in gMS NOW, who want to plan ahead for the future? Should we ignore buying that 12/11 YWG in the FM if in 2 months we can forge 18int clean Dark Pennances? Should we be ignoring the claims of lukless > all, dexless > all, etc., and be raising luk/dex/etc stats ever so much in order to get more benefits from this skill? What do WE have to change, in other words, in order to better prepare ourselves for utilizing the most advantageous benefits of this skill, other than stockpiling items?

Thanks for the help!

FrozNlite Wrote:Nice stuff Isaac. Hearing about what this does to the economy makes me, like so many others, want to stockpile ores and crystals up the wazoo for appraisal. This thread is basically our prior knowledge at a good stock that some choose to invest in; of course that's a federal crime irl, but it's nice that here it's simply an advantage ;D.

A few questions though:

[SIZE="4"]1. [/SIZE]Doesn't this whole system fundamentally screw over lukless classes and others? For example, I'm planning on resetting to lukless, and thinking of my future equips (zhelm, YWG, YSS, Dark Starlight, Maple Shield, Cape, Earrings, Ele Wand, HT Pendant, etc.), NONE of those are the BASIC equips of a class at a certain level. In other words, this maker system only benefits those that use the base equips of a class, correct? And for those of us who may be lukless but have enough luk from pendant and zhelm to wear a lvl 38 robe and lvl 40 gloves, we're STILL screwed over because you can't make those level of equips?

[SIZE="4"]2. [/SIZE]This is kind of a question off of number 1, but in the event everything I asked in the first question is true, what effects did all of that information have on jMS? Are all the old lukless Magicians now raising their luk ever so much so they can be wearing forged level 50 overalls or whatnot they can add +15 INT to the overall(in other words people choosing to raise luk by 10 to add 15 INT to an equip and get a net matk gain)? This kind of planning is stuff I'd like to be doing soon.

[SIZE="4"]3. [/SIZE]Another similar question, in a scenario-style way: so Maple Magician Shields have +2 INT and 10 slots, meaning the best shield possible is 22/30. However, can this skill be used to forge, say, a clean Esther Shield with +15 INT, so you would have a +17 INT 7 slot Esther? Then that Esther Shield's best possible stats become 31/21, an equip equal in power but better for MP gain in the long run, plus more readily available than MMShields(presumably, since you could constantly forge them rather than have to wai for events)? So in the end, in other words, are people ditching Maple Shields and shields with 10 slots for godly clean Esthers, etc.?

I think in the end my three questions can be summed up like this: What does the Maker skill and everything it entails mean for people in gMS NOW, who want to plan ahead for the future? Should we ignore buying that 12/11 YWG in the FM if in 2 months we can forge 18int clean Dark Pennances? Should we be ignoring the claims of lukless > all, dexless > all, etc., and be raising luk/dex/etc stats ever so much in order to get more benefits from this skill? What do WE have to change, in other words, in order to better prepare ourselves for utilizing the most advantageous benefits of this skill, other than stockpiling items?

Thanks for the help!

IsaacGS Wrote:Cyanne hit a lot of the main points. In fact I don't really have much to add to that. I don't know mages in JMS or KMS so I can't comment on how it's affected them. I think the idea behind this was to give regular-stat users more of an advantage on statless, but the statless classes just have way too much of an advantage in GMS already. It couldn't equal out.

Orit Wrote:I really really hope Nexon increases inventory size when this comes out, because I can't imagine where a NXless person would store the monster crystals and powders being collected, never mind refined and graded jewels (which could conceivably be done at the last minute).

Other than that, it looks like a great skill. Hope we get it soon.
Thanks Isaac for the explanations.

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Using High Grade DEX and High Grade Dark crystals.
STR +3, DEX +7, WDEF -1.


Using Mid Grade Garnet (Acc), Mid Grade Amythest (Speed) and Top Stimulator.
DEX +1, WDEF +2, ACC +4.


Using High Grade DEX and High Grade STR crystals.
STR +5, DEX +5, WDEF +2.


Using Mid Grade DEX and Mid Grade Dark crystals.
DEX -1, WDEF -2.


Using High Grade Diamond and High Grade Black crystal.
WA +3.

TKWizard Wrote:Actually the Green Neos gained 4 accuracy not one.

Lozmaster Wrote:I fail to see the problem..Mules anyone?

Lozmaster Wrote:I fail to see the problem..Mules anyone?

I can't log on right now:f6:So a quick run down...

Paladin - 2 rows of "permanent" untradeable items (Florina Beach ticket, etc.), 2 rows of "worth something" (Leafre seeds, untradeable CWK drops, other valuables), 3 rows of "stuff there's no room for on my mules".
DK - 2 rows free, the rest full of more similar "worth something", some ores, quest items (collect 500 dual pirate drops, etc.) which I haven't turned in
Mule - event items and rare etc. - Sabbath candles, Christmas presents, Ancient Scrolls, etc.

Mule 2 - Refined metal/jewel/crystals (mostly 20~30, though I do have 300+ Black Crystal)
Mule 3 - Unrefined ores - stuff directly transferred, it only gets refined as it hits stacks of 100

If they add... 3 new types of every ore, plus monster crystals and powders... I'm gonna have to move on to Mule 4 and Mule 5

I'll try to get a screenshot of my etc. crap once the game comes back up to get an idea of what's actually in there I know I've got at least 4 inventories full at this point, if I consolidated empty space (1-2 rows each over 5 chars).



Transferring ores to my secondary account is basically a twice a year thing, it's an absolute pain in the ass. I don't have a 2nd computer so I have to run Maple in a VM.

Cyanne Wrote:Can any kMS player tell us about the relative prices and demand for crystals, specifically the stat and dark crystals? Also, which mineral plates are in highest demand, and which types of equipment are most popularly made, if any? Thanks in advance for answering.

blitzkrieg Wrote:Keep in mind that mushmom no longer has iron boars guarding her home, so there's fewer steel plates being made from their hooves.

Opeth Wrote:Oh really?

So...what IS guarding her home now, and when does this change happen?