KajitiSouls Wrote:Annie isn't exactly a late-game champion. Her best value still happens to be the AoE stundrop from Tibbers.

Quote:You definitely should have picked up at least one Rabadon's Deathcap. The unique passive ability (30% more AP) plus it's already high AP (+155) make it one of the best AP items in the game. Another item you could have gotten for more burst would be a Deathfire Grasp which gives +60 AP, +10 MP per 5, unique passive 15% cooldown reduction, and a unique active that deals damage based upon a percentage of the target's current health with a paltry 1 minute cooldown.

Quote:By end game with annie I usually have: Sorcerer shoes, Rod of ages, Rabadon's deathcap, Archange staff, Void Staff and Rylai's Scepter, sometimes I get a Banshee's veil but rarely, I just build full attack and most of the time can kill anyone with a q/r/w/q if I stun them.

madanthony Wrote:http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/patch-preview-4-camera-vacation

I was not aware anything was wrong with Ryze.

KajitiSouls Wrote:I saw a Rammus chase someone all the way across the map and still kill the person. Poor bloke.

WillDaSnail Wrote:WOW. YOU. GOT. TO. BE. FU'CKING. KIDDING. ME. WHAT. THE. F'UCK. DONT DO THIS TO RAMMUS. SOME PEOPLE NEED TO GROW SOME BALLS AND GROW UP.



Whoever got chased and killed, that's their fault. There's so many ways you could counter a chasing Rammus.

Dark Link Wrote:Chillax, son. Just learn to adapt and deal with it =/

Dark Link Wrote:Chillax, son. Just learn to adapt and deal with it =/

WillDaSnail Wrote:Riot has nerfed Rammus so many times already its getting ridiculious. People who don't know how to counter him simply QQ over how he's OP. And Riot's simply falling under the pressure from butt-hurt players.

Rammus fans like me and Spiegelmann are not happy over this. His abilities is what makes Rammus unique all by himself.

WillDaSnail Wrote:Whoever got chased and killed, that's their fault. There's so many ways you could counter a chasing Rammus.

WillDaSnail Wrote:Rammus fans like me and Spiegelmann are not happy over this. His abilities is what makes Rammus unique all by himself.

WillDaSnail Wrote:Riot has nerfed Rammus so many times already its getting ridiculious. People who don't know how to counter him simply QQ over how he's OP. And Riot's simply falling under the pressure from butt-hurt players.

Rammus fans like me and Spiegelmann are not happy over this. His abilities is what makes Rammus unique all by himself.

KajitiSouls Wrote:You know what, since you're so confident, let's have a hypothetical situation modeled around this victim shall we? Who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Rammus has Flash and Exhaust, chasing down a typical ranged DPS carry through the jungle. They're both by themselves. What should the DPS carry do to save him/herself?

WillDaSnail Wrote:There's one scenario I can imagine that one can avoid a Rammus. Tristana, for example, can use her ult to push Rammus back, then use her Rocket Jump to gain some distance, and if she has Ghost, then make a run for it.

WillDaSnail Wrote:There's many ways you can counter a chasing rammus. For instance, if the person takes some evasive action (ex: running through minions [though a good Rammus player can easily avoid that], make a fast dash back towards the base, counter-attack with CC skills if you think you have enough HP), then its doable.

There's one scenario I can imagine that one can avoid a Rammus. Tristana, for example, can use her ult to push Rammus back, then use her Rocket Jump to gain some distance, and if she has Ghost, then make a run for it.

If the chased player makes some wrong moves at the wrong time, then oh well. Tough luck

I have only done very few successful 1v1 chases with Rammus. Sure you can pick out my mistakes and whatnot. But those opportunities only present themselves once in a long while; you cannot do this unless you're sure you're not going to get countered by the enemy's teammates, and if you're really sure the enemy does not get back to the safety of his base in time.

>Pineapple' Wrote:Rammus was barely/ not even touched at all for months and suddenly people notice he's a good ganker so they jungle with him and suddenly, just like that, he's op.

Hell, I laned with rammus for 300+ games before i even attempted to jungle and did great almost all the time, but no one ever stopped to complain that he was OP.

KajitiSouls Wrote:Congratulations, you only found one scenario! All the other carries are presumably going to die. Way to counter your own claim.

And yes, the 1v1 chases are a rare scenario. But he's still effective even when there's other guys around. Plus, he makes a good straggler catcher if he has some spare durability left (which can happen since people are taught not to focus tanks in the first place).



There's more to the game than just laning you know. It's just that people began to slowly realize that Rammus is god at ganking while filling the tank role, needing little reliance on summoner spells and whatnot. Demographics, playstyles, blah blah blah.

Hell, when I picked up on Anivia, she was just a champion in the recesses of people's minds, and she was a rare sighting (helped making Qs land much easier since they thought it was just another auto-attack snowflake). Then over the months, Riot gave her a slight buff in one area, then another, and no one really paid much attention. Then suddenly out of nowhere she becomes a focus of QQing. Granted, Elementz had a hand in that. But when the smoke cleared and the facts were examined, it turned out the real source of grievance was R+E (anyone complaining about Q is a baddie imo, it's slow for a skillshot), which was untouched since Anivia's creation afaik. Yes, even during the patch when CCs were supposedly made separate from other effects for the purposes of Mercury Treads and Cleanse.

>Pineapple' Wrote:I know. But no one even thought he was that good compared to other tanks like shen and amumu until people started jungling with him. It's stupid because it's not even hard to avoid getting ganked. If you play it smart in a lane and get wards and whatnot you will almost never die to jungle ganks. It's just easier to get a gank as rammus compared to junglers like udyr or warwick that come out of bushes much more slowly.

It's the same thing as other junglers just faster.

KajitiSouls Wrote:Ganks don't just happen in lanes. Just saying. And it's fairly difficult to maintain wards for extended periods of time before they start denting your income. With the duration to wards being 3 minutes, more often than not it's not going to pay off, whether it's because nobody is there or because you can't ambush, etc.

@Birdie, cockblocking Rammus with a ward is just hilarious xD