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Hyrule Warriors - Link - 2014-08-27

Justin Wrote:Didn't Minish Cap have them being really close friends / maybe more than friends as well?

Oh, yeah. That one too.

Oh, and Four Swords Adventures has them as friends as well. Though, I don't recall if the original Four Swords did the same thing.


Hyrule Warriors - Takebacker - 2014-08-27

Pretty much 100% of the "sexual tension" comments i hear pertain strictly to skyward sword.


Hyrule Warriors - Thugnificent - 2014-08-27

Remoir Wrote:I've played a lot of Zelda games and i don't ever remember there being any tension or anything implied between the 2 other than being friends in Skyward. Confused

Hence, "tension".... Why wouldn't there be a little bit, especially when its like a straight up "knight in shining armor" scenario?... I'm only saying it would be interesting to see ALL of the characters have a gender switch, because why not?

Also, Link has had other "moments" involving the opposite sex not including Zelda. He didn't even realize/care that Princess Ruto gave him the Sapphire as a means of engagement in OOT, and Medli clearly has a crush on him after helping to calm Valoo. So there have been other moments in the series that would change due to Links gender.


Hyrule Warriors - Kirov - 2014-08-27

Bug fix patch for the japanese game on the 1st. They will also add a challenge mode and a new weapon for Link.

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Hyrule Warriors - Takebacker - 2014-08-27

Goddammit i want this game


Hyrule Warriors - Zerard - 2014-08-27

Remoir Wrote:I've played a lot of Zelda games and i don't ever remember there being any tension or anything implied between the 2 other than being friends in Skyward. Confused

Link (or least that it's implied that he) cries when Zelda sealed herself. Zelda apologizes for testing Link, and it wrenched her heart that she (as Hylia of course) planned to use Link in such a way. This is a very powerful display of emotions to display for even the closest of friends.

[video=youtube;1WfLojq2BBQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WfLojq2BBQ[/video]

The two even live together in seclusion on the land at the end. I think it's safe to say that it's implied that they loved each other.


Hyrule Warriors - WhatsThereToOoze - 2014-08-27

Zerard Wrote:Link (or least that it's implied that he) cries when Zelda sealed herself. Zelda apologizes for testing Link, and it wrenched her heart that she (as Hylia of course) planned to use Link in such a way. This is a very powerful display of emotions to display for even the closest of friends.
The fact that so many fans cannot possibly conceive having a such a strong connection could not exist without it being sexually driven is frightfully sad.
Seriously, I can smell the fedoras from here.

Link Wrote:Zelda II : The Adventure of Link, where the curtains close and Zelda kisses Link.
Link's dreaming in Link's Awakening, when he calls Marin Zelda.
Link + Tetra
Link + Zelda in Spirit Tracks


I don't remember if there was anything, but there may have been a slight sign of traction in A Link Between Worlds as well.
Re: AoL - There's a lot in presuming a kiss given as a reward means anything but "thank you".
Re: Link's Awakening - Yeah, he called Marin 'Zelda' because she looked just like Zelda because she looked just like Zelda. How is that a sign of tension?

You just gave their names in the last two 'examples', so I'm not sure why you think either of those demonstrated a deeper physical attraction.

Yes, Link saves Zelda a lot, but his motivation for doing so is generally more significant than "get the girl". In fact, AoL and Phantom Hourglass were the only times Zelda is the actual endgame. In the latter, this is because he actually spent an entire game before and sometime sense actually being around her. I mean, if one of my only friends in the world were kidnapped by a nightmare boat, I would like to think I'd go to save her.
In AoL, Zelda is someone who he's never met before and he only tries to save her because some old lady tells him it's his destiny or whatever.

TL;DR version: Link could gender swap in most games without much awkwardness or possible controversy. Yes, there would be some minute same-sex flirting, but there's nothing to actually be called "romance" in the series (at least none involving Link).


Hyrule Warriors - Thugnificent - 2014-08-27

WhatsThereToOoze Wrote:The fact that so many fans cannot possibly conceive having a such a strong connection could not exist without it being sexually driven is frightfully sad.
Seriously, I can smell the fedoras from here.

Maybe I shouldn't have made a stupid TORGUE joke about lesbians, but I in no way meant that they had to be lovers for the story to continue.
This is why I hate typing on the internet because jokes go over people's heads and then people get offended if you don't carefully word EVERY response. So I apologize if I came off as some ignorant jerk who fantasizes about sex-charged rescue missions.... I just wanted to talk about having switched gender roles for all the characters instead of just one...


Hyrule Warriors - Zerard - 2014-08-27

WhatsThereToOoze Wrote:The fact that so many fans cannot possibly conceive having a such a strong connection could not exist without it being sexually driven is frightfully sad.
Seriously, I can smell the fedoras from here.

Couldn't help but noticed you cut the living in seclusion out of the equation. And it's a pretty significant thing for two people being just friends to do. The Loftwing Ceremony also had a pretty strong case of foreshadowing.

There's a difference between fanfiction and reading comprehension. Sure, there are such cases where a friendship of opposite genders doesn't necessarily equal a love interest, but in the case of Skyward Sword... I think that is the only Zelda (aside for maybe Zelda II) that actually felt so strongly about Link. and vise versa.

Examples of a fellowship over a relationship could include Ocarina of Time or Twilight Princess.


Hyrule Warriors - WhatsThereToOoze - 2014-08-27

Thugnificent Wrote:Maybe I shouldn't have made a stupid TORGUE joke about lesbians, but I in no way meant that they had to be lovers for the story to continue.
This is why I hate typing on the internet because jokes go over people's heads and then people get offended if you don't carefully word EVERY response. So I apologize if I came off as some ignorant jerk who fantasizes about sex-charged rescue missions.... I just wanted to talk about having switched gender roles for all the characters instead of just one...
I did not get offended at all. If what you said was meant to be a joke, it was poorly presented. I thought you just had some terrible opinions which brought out the fedora wearers.

Zerard Wrote:Couldn't help but noticed you cut the living in seclusion out of the equation. And it's a pretty significant thing for two people being just friends to do. The Loftwing Ceremony also had a pretty strong case of foreshadowing.

There's a difference between fanfiction and reading comprehension. Sure, there are such cases where a friendship of opposite genders doesn't necessarily equal a love interest, but in the case of Skyward Sword... I think that is the only Zelda (aside for maybe Zelda II) that actually felt so strongly about Link. and vise versa.

Examples of a fellowship over a relationship could include Ocarina of Time or Twilight Princess.
Yes, the seclusion may evidence a more romantic feeling. I'm not denying that, though I certainly could debate it.
I left it out because it was not related to my point which was that it's sad that your view of friendship is so shallow that you would say showing such emotions could only possibly indicate a different sort of relationship.

You can feel strongly about a person without wanting to bone them.
Let's take a look at post-OoT Link, who spent his days searching for Navi (unless you're willing to suggest that he actually had some sexual urges for her).


Hyrule Warriors - Link - 2014-08-28

WhatsThereToOoze Wrote:The fact that so many fans cannot possibly conceive having a such a strong connection could not exist without it being sexually driven is frightfully sad.
Seriously, I can smell the fedoras from here.


Re: AoL - There's a lot in presuming a kiss given as a reward means anything but "thank you".
Re: Link's Awakening - Yeah, he called Marin 'Zelda' because she looked just like Zelda because she looked just like Zelda. How is that a sign of tension?

You just gave their names in the last two 'examples', so I'm not sure why you think either of those demonstrated a deeper physical attraction.

Yes, Link saves Zelda a lot, but his motivation for doing so is generally more significant than "get the girl". In fact, AoL and Phantom Hourglass were the only times Zelda is the actual endgame. In the latter, this is because he actually spent an entire game before and sometime sense actually being around her. I mean, if one of my only friends in the world were kidnapped by a nightmare boat, I would like to think I'd go to save her.
In AoL, Zelda is someone who he's never met before and he only tries to save her because some old lady tells him it's his destiny or whatever.

TL;DR version: Link could gender swap in most games without much awkwardness or possible controversy. Yes, there would be some minute same-sex flirting, but there's nothing to actually be called "romance" in the series (at least none involving Link).

First of all, no one said anything about the fact that the only reason Link cooperated with Zelda at all was to bone her. No one even implied that. The only thing anyone stated were that they were friends or possibly a little bit more.

Secondly, the fact that the curtains close in The Adventure of Link implies it means a bit more than a simple "thank you." It implies the traditional tale of a hero saving a princess and the princess offering herself to the hero. That was the original intention by the creators of the game.

With the Link's Awakening bit, Marin didn't look like Zelda. Not at all. What is implied in that instance is the fact that Link is thinking of her from his previous journeys (A Link to the Past and the Oracle of Seasons/Ages games).

If you had played The Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks, the name pairing should be enough. There was so much between Link and Tetra and Link and Phantom Zelda that a strong bond is obvious.

Again, no one stated that they had to bone each other the instant the game went to the credits screen or that it was Link's only goal. It just means that the possibilities are there that they were maybe a little more than friends due to the result of their journeys or childhood connections.


Hyrule Warriors - Lozmaster - 2014-08-28

Link Wrote:With the Link's Awakening bit, Marin didn't look like Zelda. Not at all. What is implied in that instance is the fact that Link is thinking of her from his previous journeys (A Link to the Past and the Oracle of Seasons/Ages games).

Link mistakes her for zelda because they're supposed to look alike, it's not really up for debate.

Case in point: Zelda (oracle games) and Marin (LA) share the sprite design, just with a crown added for zelda. I don't know how much more direct they could be with "these people look alike!"

Zelda:
[Image: Zelda-Ages-Sprite.png]
Marin:
[Image: Marin.png]

Also pretty sure that Skyward swords zelda/link were supposed to love each other and end up makin' babies, but in most of the other cases it would be just downright weird (and a princess would probably never be allowed to marry some random commoner anyway, no matter just how green his tunic is).


Hyrule Warriors - Link - 2014-08-28

Lozmaster Wrote:Link mistakes her for zelda because they're supposed to look alike, it's not really up for debate.

Case in point: Zelda (oracle games) and Marin (LA) share the sprite design, just with a crown added for zelda. I don't know how much more direct they could be with "these people look alike!"

Zelda:
[Image: Zelda-Ages-Sprite.png]
Marin:
[Image: Marin.png]

Also pretty sure that Skyward swords zelda/link were supposed to love each other and end up makin' babies, but in most of the other cases it would be just downright weird (and a princess would probably never be allowed to marry some random commoner anyway, no matter just how green his tunic is).

Actually, we can't really take the Oracle games into account because they were made afterward (not to mention, the inconsistencies where Link hadn't met Zelda). As far as release dates go, A Link to the Past was the only prequel to Link's Awakening. That said, in the official art, Marin was a redhead, while Zelda had always been blonde.

[img]http://zs.ffshrine.org/album/link's-awakening/art/scene-characters.jpg[/img]


Then again, for all we know, there could've been two Zeldas in the Oracles continuum, with all of the time travel/warping.


Hyrule Warriors - Justin - 2014-08-28

Lozmaster Wrote:(and a princess would probably never be allowed to marry some random commoner anyway, no matter just how green his tunic is).

I don't really think this is a legitimate or valid reason.. have you ever watched a disney movie? It's fictional, it's not supposed to be realistic or make sense. Though yes, I do agree that it'd be a bit weird in some of the installments. Twilight Princess at least had Link and Midna somewhat leaning toward each other, though not until the literal ending cutscenes.


Hyrule Warriors - WhatsThereToOoze - 2014-08-28

Link Wrote:First of all, no one said anything about the fact that the only reason Link cooperated with Zelda at all was to bone her. No one even implied that. The only thing anyone stated were that they were friends or possibly a little bit more.

Secondly, the fact that the curtains close in The Adventure of Link implies it means a bit more than a simple "thank you." It implies the traditional tale of a hero saving a princess and the princess offering herself to the hero. That was the original intention by the creators of the game.

With the Link's Awakening bit, Marin didn't look like Zelda. Not at all. What is implied in that instance is the fact that Link is thinking of her from his previous journeys (A Link to the Past and the Oracle of Seasons/Ages games).

If you had played The Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks, the name pairing should be enough. There was so much between Link and Tetra and Link and Phantom Zelda that a strong bond is obvious.

Again, no one stated that they had to bone each other the instant the game went to the credits screen or that it was Link's only goal. It just means that the possibilities are there that they were maybe a little more than friends due to the result of their journeys or childhood connections.
Actually, the continuous references to "tension" kinda give the affect that you are speaking about sexual attraction. Unless you mean a different sort of tension which would not follow the context whatsoever.

Having sex as a form of appreciation still comes across as a "thank you," albeit rather extreme.

You can keep lying about Link's Awakening; it just proves that you know much less about that series than you pretend. Page 28, please. Are we done with that?

I get it, there's a strong bond between Link and various Zeldas. What I find fault with is this presentation that strong bond = "tension".
For those of you not keeping track, this stemmed from an initial claim that switching Link's gender would intrinsically imply a lesbian relationship which is hardly the case given the very few instances of any heterosexual attraction demonstrated to be between the duo.

Justin Wrote:I don't really think this is a legitimate or valid reason.. have you ever watched a disney movie? It's fictional, it's not supposed to be realistic or make sense. Though yes, I do agree that it'd be a bit weird in some of the installments. Twilight Princess at least had Link and Midna somewhat leaning toward each other, though not until the literal ending cutscenes.
I agree. We are shown almost nothing of Hylian culture and certainly not enough to indicate any strict class system.


Hyrule Warriors - Zerard - 2014-08-28

Why does it seem that your idea of love is that it always must be perverted and lewd when the possible love in question would be above that 'hero gets the girl' trope. It's not like Link is a sex crazed maniac and neither is Zelda. You seem to want to deny any possible love ever and come off as really condescending and rude while debating it.


Hyrule Warriors - WhatsThereToOoze - 2014-08-28

Zerard Wrote:Why does it seem that your idea of love is that it always must be perverted and lewd when the possible love in question would be above that 'hero gets the girl' trope. It's not like Link is a sex crazed maniac and neither is Zelda. You seem to want to deny any possible love ever and come off as really condescending and rude while debating it.
I'm actually not denying the possibility of love. I'm just arguing which form is presented.
Btw, physical attraction does not always equal perversion. I simply use such extreme terms to help those like you tell the difference since the subtleties seem to be getting lost.


Hyrule Warriors - MasPan - 2014-08-28

Thugnificent Wrote:Hence, "tension".... Why wouldn't there be a little bit, especially when its like a straight up "knight in shining armor" scenario?... I'm only saying it would be interesting to see ALL of the characters have a gender switch, because why not?

Also, Link has had other "moments" involving the opposite sex not including Zelda. He didn't even realize/care that Princess Ruto gave him the Sapphire as a means of engagement in OOT, and Medli clearly has a crush on him after helping to calm Valoo. So there have been other moments in the series that would change due to Links gender.
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Don't forget Marin!

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Hyrule Warriors - Mandalay - 2014-08-28

Lozmaster Wrote:(and a princess would probably never be allowed to marry some random commoner anyway, no matter just how green his tunic is).

Doubt this was forbidden.

The Link who teaches you his skills in Twilight Princess is implied to be OoT/Majora's Mask Link, and he even acknowledges TP Link as his descendant. Since Skyward Sword is the first Link in the timeline and he stayed with Zelda, marrying a reincarnated goddess (and later, princess) may have set the precedent for Zelda not being forbidden from commoners. She may not have had children with Link in every era (Zelda's father in OoT but OoT Link is an orphan = ???) but it's possible that she at least married him in some.

Minish Cap and Four Swords happens inbetween SS and OoT so it's still possible the two in that era had children here and maybe Zelda wasn't allowed commoner marriage post-OoT.

Never is pretty extreme.


Hyrule Warriors - Niernen - 2014-08-28

Doesn't look like sales are that high in Japan.