Jazeon Wrote:+snip+

KhainiWest Wrote:I'd say religious doctrine is silly, the idea of a creator is not.

Kunagisa Wrote:There's a difference between finding evidence to support a previously made prediction and stretching evidence to support a conclusion you want to believe. Peer review would discourage the later, as if you're stretching data to make fit what you want it to fit, it'll easily be found out once it gets to this stage. However, that's not the same as having a prediction and testing it to see if it's consistent, which is pretty much the point of the scientific method anyway.

As for carbon dating, yes it has its limits that's; why it's not used for fossils older than what it can measure. You do realize that there are many other dating methods which confirm each other via cross referencing, and that you'd use different methods for different things, right? Everyone seems to bring up carbon dating as if it's the only thing anyone ever uses to date anything, when that couldn't be anymore further from the truth. Click here to learn more about said other methods, their uses, and how they can confirm each other. You wouldn't use carbon dating on everything, that's silly. That'd be like using a screwdriver to stab a nail into wood when you have a hammer by your side. Different tools for different situations.

For your youtube link, I skipped to 16 minutes and the dude is just talking about how there's no evidence of monkeys becoming humans or vice versa. This is correct, as nobody should believe that. There's a large difference between coming from monkeys and sharing a common ancestor with them. You can read up a bit on some fossils we've found, along with what groups they belong in and how they relate to each other here if you wish. Aside from that, he's pointing out bone structures being vastly different when...they're actually very similar, so I'm not sure what he's trying to point out there. There are slight differences, but that's to be expected, honestly. I don't have the time now, but I'd be willing to watch the whole video later and provide sources relevant to what this dude is misinterpreting, if you'd like. Provided its a topic I actually know about, that is. I won't sit here and say I know everything, but I can research something for you if you'd like as well.

Kunagisa Wrote:You...you guys are all real, right? You're not just puppets created to make me feel like I'm not all alone here?

Kunagisa Wrote:I'd say that falls more under the realm of philosophy. A creator brings about more questions than it answers, not that it'd be a bad thing though. I sometimes like to think about weird stuff such as our whole universe simply being a simulation of how a potential universe could work. Of course, there's also the lovely thought that I'm all alone here in this world and everything is simply made to fit my senses; that is, nothing else exists outside of my mind, and even right now you guys all talking to me is actually just a part of what's created for me to see and interpret for myself. After all, everything that we (or...shall I say everything that "I") experience has to first be relayed to the senses and interpreted in the brain for a conclusion to be drawn from it, and senses are known to be tricked easily as it is already.

There are many questions that I can go on about, but seriously believing any of them may put me against societal norms and mark me as psychotic, so it's probably in my best interest to just queerly ponder the possibilities and analyze them in my mind without delving too deeply into them.

You...you guys are all real, right? You're not just puppets created to make me feel like I'm not all alone here?

Kunagisa Wrote:I made the post in response to his, scrolled down and saw yours, but already wrote it all out so didn't feel like wasting it. I've just been skimming the thread honestly since it's only mildly interesting.

Sardines Wrote:What led to the disaster site we are in today.

xparasite9 Wrote:KhainiWest;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions#Evolution

KhainiWest Wrote:Elaborate what misconceptions you're eluding that I claimed throughout the thread

Kunagisa Wrote:You weren't there.

Quote:Yes this annoyed me too, which leads to the point that he lied about nothing changing his mind about his perspective, I can tell you right now what exactly would change his mind, a time machine. The fact his entire arguments foundation is "If I didn't see it first hand, you can't prove it" was so obnoxiously ridiculous he lost support on both sides of the table to be honest.

Quote:Evolution does not attempt to explain the origin of life or the origin and development of the universe. While biological evolution describes the process by which species and other levels of biological organization originate, and ultimately leads all life forms back to a universal common ancestor, it is not primarily concerned with the origin of life itself, and does not pertain at all to the origin and evolution of the universe and its components. The theory of evolution deals primarily with changes in successive generations over time after life has already originated.

Quote:Evolution is not a progression from inferior to superior organisms, and it also does not necessarily result in an increase in complexity. A population can evolve to become simpler, having a smaller genome, but biological devolution is a misnomer.

KhainiWest Wrote:He was stating that natural selection is separate from evolution, but what I was getting at is natural selection is a huge cause for evolution which is the effect so to believe one over the other is contradictory. As for the "source" of all things, I can let agree to disagree because obviously we don't have an answer for that yet. However this is what I was getting at for people in general who believe in a personal god, should start at 40 seconds, if it doesn't just fast forward;

KhainiWest Wrote:In my opinion if there is a god, he's more of a curator, not a creator.

KhainiWest Wrote:although a curator is completely probable in my opinion.