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New Root Abyss Equip Drop - KhainiWest - 2014-01-12
FoolsLove Wrote:What I see is an opportunity for casual players to get a damage boost so that more of the game opens up to them. Casual players don't play the game to become the strongest, the richest, the best, whatever, they play the game to enjoy it for what it is, a game. Do I believe that all of the content, all of the best gear in an MMO should be accessible by every single player? No. And even with the CRA drop changes, it's not.
There are dozens of better ways to do that without punishing your biggest spenders. You're thinking too selfishly about this
Chilly Wrote:You are the "Maplestory players are masochists" guy aren't you? If so, you've picked up a new round of ammunition there, buddy. And to be honest, anyone intending to "invest" large amount of money into the game should really keep what you said in mind; Nexon will almost certainly devalue your gear or hamper your meso-making potential at sometime in the future, you can't really blame anyone when that happens, when you know this to be true.
Like the real world, a good investor knows when to exit the market or dramatically reduce exposure and risk. Diversify yo' bonds. Seriously, diversify.
Foolyz Wrote:You said it well. It's for the greater good, I suppose. I hear two sides on this issue:
1) High-damage players who spent a lot of money to kill these bosses so they could monopolize the profits from the drops - "QQ I can't make as much money as I used to. Now everyone will have these equips!"
2) Casual players, who don't play to make money, but to enjoy the game - "Yay! Now I actually have hope of getting one of these magical equips! I don't care about cubing or scrolling, it'd be nifty just to have an RA set!"
The problem that you both don't see, as you see it merely as a short term benefit. You're essentially condoning making this game a NX based system period. What's the point of mesos when the only way to really obtain them is to sell NX? The only value mesos have is potions, which isn't always needed either.
The long term effect you don't see is months to a year of no reason to even exchange meso's. If the strongest bosses reward is simply NPCable how do you make mesos' in game? You won't unless you spend money, I mean honestly you're buying meso indirectly at this point which is not healthy and further deteriorates the end game content. No one wants that, but people want quick jolts of power.
This would be an entirely different matter if there was a higher tier boss that actually could turn over profits. Really what do end game nx spenders get besides prestige? All the poor players want a chance to fight the boss, then what? You don't get rewarded for beating it besides experience. You strip any motivation or any reward NX spenders have. In fact their only reward. Not that I condone this business model, as everyone should know, but punishing people, the most dedicated to the game, in this fashion is not only stupid, it's nexon further demonstrating they love to hurt themselves.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Foolyz - 2014-01-12
KhainiWest Wrote:The problem that you both don't see, as you see it merely as a short term benefit. You're essentially condoning making this game a NX based system period. What's the point of mesos when the only way to really obtain them is to sell NX? The only value mesos have is potions, which isn't always needed either.
Did... did you not read the rest of my post? I mean really, did you even glance at it? The game needs the changes I mentioned, as well as probably dailies for money and meso sinks (RLH totems and Free Class system come to mind). Honestly, the only dailies I can think of that are currently in the game revolve around bossing. Other games have PLENTY of repeatable quests that are WORTH DOING, whereas Maplestory does not. Now that's sad for a game that's been around as long as MS has.
You also forget that in some other games, prestige is ALL you get for advancing extremely far into the game, and people STILL do it. It's fun to lord prestigious items (medals, titles, etc.) over other people, but they really give you no statistical advantage over other players, and even in some games, the boosts they give you are minimal. That's why we should want to kill bosses, not to make money. To have fun. This is a game.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - MuscleWizard - 2014-01-12
honestly the people complaining about the drops ruining the market are failing to realize that they are among the few that can kill, so therefore they can control the supply.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Takebacker - 2014-01-12
MuscleWizard Wrote:honestly the people complaining about the drops ruining the market are failing to realize that they are among the few that can kill, so therefore they can control the supply.
Can i get a "WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE EQUIPS" meme pic?
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Vaudevillian - 2014-01-12
MuscleWizard Wrote:honestly the people complaining about the drops ruining the market are failing to realize that they are among the few that can kill, so therefore they can control the supply.
You seem to be under the impression that people capable of getting RA drops are capable/willing to communicate with each other and ensure that the market remains unsaturated with RA equips, which is... Unlikely.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - CrazyForDex - 2014-01-12
Vaudevillian Wrote:You seem to be under the impression that people capable of getting RA drops are capable/willing to communicate with each other and ensure that the market remains unsaturated with RA equips, which is... Unlikely.
You must be new here. You should have realized by now that [MENTION=3070]Marksman Bryan[/MENTION]; and [MENTION=6790]Green4Ever[/MENTION]; have a straight up inter-server cartel on this stuff.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - KhainiWest - 2014-01-12
Foolyz Wrote:Did... did you not read the rest of my post? I mean really, did you even glance at it? The game needs the changes I mentioned, as well as probably dailies for money and meso sinks
I did, but I removed it because what nexon should do is irrelevant. We can talk about that all day, its what they did do, that needs to be discussed.
Foolyz Wrote:You also forget that in some other games, prestige is ALL you get for advancing extremely far into the game, and people STILL do it. It's fun to lord prestigious items (medals, titles, etc.) over other people, but they really give you no statistical advantage over other players, and even in some games, the boosts they give you are minimal. That's why we should want to kill bosses, not to make money. To have fun. This is a game.
Almost every F2P mmo *Quick note, I capped the 2 by accident and got a good laugh because that's exactly what's happening) in any end game circumstance is trying to get that point of the game where you can self sustain yourself without using the cash shop. The game's you're alluding too (Steam oriented or subscription based) don't have a feature like a generic f2p has, let alone maplestory
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Marksman Bryan - 2014-01-12
CrazyForDex Wrote:You must be new here. You should have realized by now that Marksman Bryan; and Green4Ever; have a straight up inter-server cartel on this stuff.
[MENTION=13345]Vaudevillian[/MENTION];
Even empress gear (at least in bellocan) is still regulated by the non-hacker sellers. In a month, I know I (and several others) will have enough gear to keep a constant supply of 5-10m pieces in my store. It's not going to happen though, at least not by my accord.
Should go without saying that RA stuff is regulated as well.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Green4Ever - 2014-01-12
CrazyForDex Wrote:You must be new here. You should have realized by now that Marksman Bryan and Green4Ever have a straight up inter-server cartel on this stuff.
Eh, not exactly. Vaundevillian is right. It's hard to keep prices up when other people drive prices down for no apparent reason (speaking from before this change came to be). They'll drive prices down even more now that they'll be trying to clear out stock on a weekly basis. I still don't know why people do this... There's nothing wrong with being overstocked. I have almost 5 mules full of drops at the moment, although part of that is because I'm still hell banned, but still.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - MuscleWizard - 2014-01-12
the people complaining about market saturation are the ones responsible for market saturation, basically.
we wouldn't have this problem if people weren't killing the bosses with 12x drop rate
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - CrazyForDex - 2014-01-12
Green4Ever Wrote:Eh, not exactly. Vaundevillian is right. It's hard to keep prices up when other people drive prices down for no apparent reason (speaking from before this change came to be). They'll drive prices down even more now that they'll be trying to clear out stock on a weekly basis. I still don't know why people do this... There's nothing wrong with being overstocked. I have almost 5 mules full of drops at the moment, although part of that is because I'm still hell banned, but still.
Yea I understand how this selling clusterpineapple game works. I was just making a facetious remark considering all the hate that has been directed at players such as yourselves for being some of the main suppliers of what has been (at least until this new change) a quite profitable amount of end game gear.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Foolyz - 2014-01-12
KhainiWest Wrote:I did, but I removed it because what nexon should do is irrelevant. We can talk about that all day, its what they did do, that needs to be discussed.
Almost every F2P mmo *Quick note, I capped the 2 by accident and got a good laugh because that's exactly what's happening) in any end game circumstance is trying to get that point of the game where you can self sustain yourself without using the cash shop. The game's you're alluding too (Steam oriented or subscription based) don't have a feature like a generic f2p has, let alone maplestory
Eh, true true. I always have this utopian idea for the ideal situation that Maple could be in if Nexon cared enough. lol F@P mmo
I suppose I am basing some things off of subscription-based games (WoW and other WoW-esque mmos), but the same can be said for some F2P models. DFO, before they gave it the axe, was similar. Avatars and pets only gave you a slight edge in PvE, and you could very easily enjoy ALL content in the game while sustaining yourself if you never bought NX. The Cash Shop provided shortcuts, for things such as extra tokens or CS potions, but the game didn't require any of those things to play through the content. It was entirely F2P, as well. Sorry, I can't think of any mmo-style games that are F2P that I have experience with right now. However, the idea that you shouldn't be able to buy power is seen in other games I've played, such as LoL/Dawngate and Hearthstone. So it can be done, but you're right, it is what it is right now.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - dowie - 2014-01-12
Foolyz Wrote:Eh, true true. I always have this utopian idea for the ideal situation that Maple could be in if Nexon cared enough. lol F@P mmoI disagree on DFO's avatars. The best emblems gave quite a lot of stat boost along with the rare/clone avatars.
I suppose I am basing some things off of subscription-based games (WoW and other WoW-esque mmos), but the same can be said for some F2P models. DFO, before they gave it the axe, was similar. Avatars and pets only gave you a slight edge in PvE, and you could very easily enjoy ALL content in the game while sustaining yourself if you never bought NX. The Cash Shop provided shortcuts, for things such as extra tokens or CS potions, but the game didn't require any of those things to play through the content. It was entirely F2P, as well. Sorry, I can't think of any mmo-style games that are F2P that I have experience with right now. However, the idea that you shouldn't be able to buy power is seen in other games I've played, such as LoL/Dawngate and Hearthstone. So it can be done, but you're right, it is what it is right now.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Foolyz - 2014-01-12
dowie Wrote:I disagree on DFO's avatars. The best emblems gave quite a lot of stat boost along with the rare/clone avatars.
Yes, but did you need them to play? No. Do you need cubes and scrolls to fight bosses (endgame) in Maplestory? Yes.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - ManxDrk - 2014-01-12
Green4Ever Wrote:Eh, not exactly. Vaundevillian is right. It's hard to keep prices up when other people drive prices down for no apparent reason (speaking from before this change came to be). They'll drive prices down even more now that they'll be trying to clear out stock on a weekly basis. I still don't know why people do this... There's nothing wrong with being overstocked. I have almost 5 mules full of drops at the moment, although part of that is because I'm still hell banned, but still.
as example to what Mr. frog is saying.. today in gazed I saw around 2-3 fm storess with warrior stuff at 2b... when the price for this is usually 4b...
saw a RA top for magician sold for 1.3b and the guy who bought is like: FML, i need to resell it (with his C/o being 800m)
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Marksman Bryan - 2014-01-12
ManxDrk Wrote:saw a RA top for magician sold for 1.3b
....mage/pirate/bowman tops take ages to sell for 200m ea here, and it's been like that for weeks
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Tigeon - 2014-01-12
Marksman Bryan Wrote:....mage/pirate/bowman tops take ages to sell for 200m ea here, and it's been like that for weeks
YMCK market is inflated to hell..
Most of our RA gear is over a bil still even with all this influx of ra; they were 2-3 bil last week.
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - ManxDrk - 2014-01-12
Marksman Bryan Wrote:....mage/pirate/bowman tops take ages to sell for 200m ea here, and it's been like that for weeks
you are not from gazed... so whats your point? o.o our economy is obviusly different :3 they used to be 2b days ago....... now they are 800m-ish
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - PoetryIsFail - 2014-01-12
Takebacker Wrote:Can i get a "WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE EQUIPS" meme pic?
Green4Ever Wrote:There always has to be that one guy that just can't keep his mouth shut...
Sorry for the delay I was asleep. In the spirit of Green4Ever's generosity I give you:
![[Image: N80Y5EN.png]](http://i.imgur.com/N80Y5EN.png)
New Root Abyss Equip Drop - Niernen - 2014-01-12
Marksman Bryan Wrote:....mage/pirate/bowman tops take ages to sell for 200m ea here, and it's been like that for weeks
Well, probably because the people that want and can afford them probably already have them at this point. They are much cheaper compared to hats/pants
Seeing how things are going...
S> RA mule storage service!