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KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - ShinkuDragon - 2013-08-12
lulzace Wrote:Well they are trying to make all bosses doable by all classes hence the mobility upgrades and such. But this? you don't have to be that far away if you don't want to be. And it's still "close range".
it's not that "close" really, those statues are a good way apart.
either way the unextracted patch apparently made PB smaller than DI (barely, like 20-30px?) but it should still allow you to hit the statue, it might have much longer upwards range than DI though, enough to hit the statue without the need to jump (which would piss me off a bit)
random question, if you know it [MENTION=2375]Mazz[/MENTION]; does gungnir descent target the older mob on the map, or the closest one, i assume it's the former but one never knows.
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - Mazz - 2013-08-12
ShinkuDragon Wrote:it's not that "close" really, those statues are a good way apart.
either way the unextracted patch apparently made PB smaller than DI (barely, like 20-30px?) but it should still allow you to hit the statue, it might have much longer upwards range than DI though, enough to hit the statue without the need to jump (which would piss me off a bit)
random question, if you know it [MENTION=2375]Mazz[/MENTION]; does gungnir descent target the older mob on the map, or the closest one, i assume it's the former but one never knows.
Should be the oldest mob on the map, seems like it's pretty similar (read: the same as, minus hitting 2 mobs) to Luminous' Ender, and Ender does the same thing, I'm not totally sure though.
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - PirateIzzy - 2013-08-12
Mazz Wrote:Should be the oldest mob on the map, seems like it's pretty similar (read: the same as, minus hitting 2 mobs) to Luminous' Ender, and Ender does the same thing, I'm not totally sure though.
Confirming that it does. It worked like that while I still played my Luminous.
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - lulzace - 2013-08-13
ShinkuDragon Wrote:it's not that "close" really, those statues are a good way apart.
either way the unextracted patch apparently made PB smaller than DI (barely, like 20-30px?) but it should still allow you to hit the statue, it might have much longer upwards range than DI though, enough to hit the statue without the need to jump (which would piss me off a bit)
random question, if you know it [MENTION=2375]Mazz[/MENTION]; does gungnir descent target the older mob on the map, or the closest one, i assume it's the former but one never knows.
I meant the close range thing for the class in general since that is what he or she was getting at.
Also if anyone can answer this. We know % ignore is multiplicative but how exactly does having multiple lines work on a wep? Does it count as on total source and if you have 30% boss/35% ignore/30% ignore on your weapon it would ignore 65% of the defense?
And are nebs factored in or do they just count as their own multiplier?
And each skill counts as one source correct? As does the Leafre codex set?
Sorry about asking I just had a sudden realization...
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - Grey - 2013-08-13
lulzace Wrote:Also if anyone can answer this. We know % ignore is multiplicative but how exactly does having multiple lines work on a wep? Does it count as on total source and if you have 30% boss/35% ignore/30% ignore on your weapon it would ignore 65% of the defense?
And are nebs factored in or do they just count as their own multiplier?
And each skill counts as one source correct? As does the Leafre codex set?
Sorry about asking I just had a sudden realization...
No, they're seperate, also seperate, yes (Ignore Guard hypers are also counted seperately from the skill they boost, so say there was an attack that ignored 30% DEF, and it had a hyper that allowed it to ignore another 20% DEF, that would be counted as 30 and 20, rather than 50), and yes.
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - Baklava - 2013-08-13
Dimensional Library is depressing as all hell.
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - lulzace - 2013-08-13
iAmFear Wrote:No, they're seperate, also seperate, yes (Ignore Guard hypers are also counted seperately from the skill they boost, so say there was an attack that ignored 30% DEF, and it had a hyper that allowed it to ignore another 20% DEF, that would be counted as 30 and 20, rather than 50), and yes.
Thanks. The wep thing and hyper thing kind of sucks. Though basically this means DA w/ Leafre set & Lumi link only has to worry about 61 % of Vellum's defense. Should I even cube for more defense ignore or just go all in for boss?
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - MountLag - 2013-08-13
Mazz Wrote:Should be the oldest mob on the map, seems like it's pretty similar (read: the same as, minus hitting 2 mobs) to Luminous' Ender, and Ender does the same thing, I'm not totally sure though.
Yeah this is how targetting for all skills works, with a few exceptions.
Chain Lightning and Blaze target nearest enemy first, everything else targets oldest, and idk about Reflection.
edit: oh some or all final attacks target nearest too
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - kimicatdemon - 2013-08-13
Baklava Wrote:Dimensional Library is depressing as all hell.
This whole update has me in a broken mess.
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - PirateIzzy - 2013-08-13
MountLag Wrote:Yeah this is how targetting for all skills works, with a few exceptions.
Chain Lightning and Blaze target nearest enemy first, everything else targets oldest, and idk about Reflection.
edit: oh some or all final attacks target nearest too
Reflection's initial hit targets the nearest enemy, but I have no idea as to how it splits up against the other 7 mobs.
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - Chicocl - 2013-08-13
Baklava Wrote:Dimensional Library is depressing as all hell.
How so?. Is the Story line that sad?.
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - Encyclopedic - 2013-08-14
Pretty sure most explosion/splash skills (Arrow Bomb, Star Bubble) also target first.
KMST 1.2.487 Dual Blade and Cannon Shooter changes - Baklava - 2013-08-14
Chicocl Wrote:How so?. Is the Story line that sad?.
I wish I paid more attention to it since I fast-forwarded through a lot of the dialogue... but by the end, the White Mage kills the person whose place you've taken in the story and his young companion girl sees it.
Then sad stuff happens.