Arcana27961 Wrote:What GMS should have done is increase the damage cap but leave the bosses alone.

SaptaZapta Wrote:Isn't that why they put in "Physical Resistance", so people with 100% ignore will still lose damage?
If they've changed PDR they should take away Physical Resistance.

YennoX Wrote:The average unfunded player doesn't have any PDR ignore. Even if they did, those amounts would be so tiny (or come from very few sources) that the PDR changes are hardly going to affect them. The people being hit are the middle-class players (such as yourself).

Please stop trying to use the lower class as a pretence for your whingeing.

Maryse Wrote:All I'm gonna say is the more comments I read and the more information I get, the more disappointed I am with the patch.

I'm mostly disappointed in the boss changes.
Bossing is a part of this game just like everything else is. But if you don't have a 500k+ max range, there's absolutely no point in trying to take on a boss, even if you're in a party.

This is our summer update, where people are supposed to be the most active
People are leaving.
I'll still be hanging around and exploring, but what's the point of being a high level if you can't go bossing like you previously could?

SaptaZapta Wrote:Isn't it amazing how people swing from "Best patch ever!" to "Worst patch ever!" so quickly? And that's not even counting the downtime.
To be honest, I don't understand why Nexon (or, specifically, Girasol and Waltzing) felt the need to mislead us with the Update Highlights and the posts on the forums painting a glowing picture of what was to come. Did they really think we wouldn't realize the bad news when it hit us? That we wouldn't be disappointed and angry?

Arrol Wrote:If that actually happened, then big bosses would be even more of a joke than they used to be. I would prefer buffing the bosses HP to a more reasonable amount rather than leaving them alone.

777 Wrote:right,REASONABLE and how exactly the boss x35 stronger is reasonable? and how making most bosses unavailable to the middle-class characters reasonable? and how making dojo buffed so people who could finish it before cant even pass half of it reasonable?

Arrol Wrote:I said REASONABLE, not retardedly impossible. Read before you post.

Personally, I'm not gonna get too mad with Gira or Waltzing. They're just their voice, they just get the info. Who knows, even the developers can pull a fast one on those two.

iAmFear Wrote:Now they're adding in the ability for classes to ignore physical resistance, well all elemental resistances really. I believe, the Mercedes now ignores some, the revamped Cygnus Knights and newly revamped Paladin ignore all, and the Dawn Warrior revamp gave them that ability as a party buff?

How soon will it be until that, as well, will be changed or capped?

VerrKol Wrote:Pretty sure CK passive got nerfed to 50%. What party buff do you speak of? :O

VerrKol Wrote:Pretty sure CK passive got nerfed to 50%. What party buff do you speak of? :O

YennoX Wrote:The average unfunded player doesn't have any PDR ignore. Even if they did, those amounts would be so tiny (or come from very few sources) that the PDR changes are hardly going to affect them. The people being hit are the middle-class players (such as yourself).

Please stop trying to use the lower class as a pretence for your whingeing.

YennoX Wrote:Then, there is the problem of scale on which this occurs as well. An unfunded player losing 30% of his damage is a going to be hit a lot softer than a funded player losing the same. 70% of pomegranatety damage is still pomegranatety damage, and won't make or break your bossing (assuming you'll be bossing at all in the first place). For other intents and purposes, where PDR does start mattering, it would be the middle-class at bosses. That's where the majority of the complaints are coming from.

That's cool. But saying that the unfunded are getting hit hard? That's hardly going to earn you any sympathy points.

YennoX Wrote:20% PDR over whatever your mob's Defence Rate is. The average mob? 20% at most. If you think that 4% damage is going to make a difference when training, then all the more power to you.

YennoX Wrote:

Hanabira.Kage Wrote:

YennoX Wrote:

SaptaZapta Wrote:20% PDR is what the mobs have.
50-100% PDR Ignore is what an unfunded player has.
So we're talking 10-20% less damage, which does make a difference when training on mobs you can't 1-hit.

Wait, so you're assuming that under this new PDR formula, players who had 50-100% ignore suddenly have 0% now?

If you're starting to get riled up, cool your head.

Read it again after that.

Do you know how PDR works?

(snip)

Whether that makes a difference or not will depend on the class itself and the mob you're going up against. I'd like to think that the scenarios where the lost damage from the new PDR formula actually make a significant difference are very few, given how disproportionate player damage has been compared to mob HP ever since Big Bang.

hadriel Wrote:Disturbing how you sweep the "lower class" under the rug.

Alright, I'm here to check numbers, and I don't think everyone's going to like this. I'm a little surprised by the result too.

Some of your words are true - poor people training at most standard mobs only experience up to 3-5% decrease in damage, whereas middle-class and bossing players get hit really hard in what they do. But maybe you'd like to rethink the rest of your words.

Hadriel

SaptaZapta Wrote:@hadriel, I didn't check your math, but something must be wrong. You've got the exact same new PDR Reduction Factor regardless of whether the 40% is in one chunk or two. That can't be right.

hadriel Wrote:Sorry a copy-pasting mistake. Screwed up when the table thing exploded on me. It should make sense now; the split-up one should do less damage because this is the reverse of square-maximisation (which is what we aim for when considering %stat) - since this is a subtractive function you want to "minimise the square" i.e. want the smallest area.

Hadriel

horakung Wrote:God why?
2H magic is 60 coins

Kanna's crying

ShinkuDragon Wrote:i'm going to assume your chart is "post-recubing" because right now i doubt anyone has 160% or so PDR, since most people once getting 100% or so ignore just aim for boss%.

hadriel Wrote:Generally, yes. Though it is not difficult for some classes to hit that number e.g. Marksmen, DS and Paladin, depending on how the PDR thing works from Threaten and Demon Cry. If DS's IgnorePDR stuff works as I think, Demon Cry 15%, Bind 30% passive, Demon Impact 30%, Ambition 10%, Light Wash lvl3 20%, Leafre 30%, yea that's already 135% before any other lines e.g. from secondary weapon, Von Leon set (don't ask me why you'd get this).

Hadriel