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JMS v301 - Hayato - Baklava - 2012-07-26
JMS v301 - Hayato - Polantaris - 2012-07-26
Baklava Wrote:KMS still has the BEST exclusive class that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
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I kinda hope that horrible idea for a class never makes it to any other version. Let it be a KMS exclusive...no one will mind. No one.
xallista Wrote:Their main attacking skill gets a 30% FA that is AOE. First AOE FA in maplestory?
Oh, and they get a nerfed version of Kaiser's giga slasher for bossing.
Pretty sure Noir and Blanc Carte can hit multiple enemies at once. And they add to that special card count that gives decent temp buffs.
Anyway, if videos aren't enough for people I've been streaming daily since the class came out here. I won't be able to stream tomorrow likely because I'm going out with coworkers after work...but definitely will be on Saturday, and there's also the archives of my streams if anyone is bored and wants to see it. Anyone is welcome to come and watch whenever it's up. I'll also do Kanna when she's out. After seeing Hayato I'm pretty eager and have high hopes for her class.
JMS v301 - Hayato - 0shikuru - 2012-07-26
Dudewitbow Wrote:Would you prefer wonderking's short cooldown per skill system in maple?
Never played Wonderking, so I couldn't say if I would or not. But a good chunk of Maple classes require spamming one single attack for the entire job, until they get a new attack to spam in the next job and so on, while all the other skills are just fluffs and buffs to bolster that single attack and future spam attacks. This guy looks like my dream job, and if released 6 months ago in GMS, I'd still be playing.
JMS v301 - Hayato - xallista - 2012-07-29
Shikage's 4th job video for hayato is up.
Skip to 6:49 for the skills.
[video=youtube;lyEKRJakFQ0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyEKRJakFQ0[/video]
JMS v301 - Hayato - byakugan - 2012-07-29
The only flaw Mikhail has is the lazer in 4th job, just like Buccaneers, Mechanics, Luminous and such. It might not be an innovative class, but just which one is anymore? It could be understood to hate on him when we thought he was delaying the Pirate legend, but now that we know Nexon just doesn't want a Pirate Legend seems you people hate on it for fashion and to pretend you're cool, like with Justin Bieber.
Is anyone satisfied with these new ways of job advancing? I mean, come on, is it really a bad thing to take more than 30 mins doing your jobs advancement? I remember when I did my 3rd job advancement, it was exciting and it feel like a true accomplishment after I was done, but now you... do nothing.
Edit: if Hayato ever comes to GMS, I want it to keep its japanese voice.
JMS v301 - Hayato - Elven Emily - 2012-07-29
byakugan Wrote:Is anyone else satisfied with these new ways of job advancing? I mean, come on, is it really a bad thing to take more than 30 mins doing your jobs advancement? I remember when I did my 3rd job advancement, it was exciting and it feel like a true accomplismeht after I was done, but now you do nothing ...
Edit: if Hayato ever comes to GMS, I don't want it to keep its japanese voice.
I like it because I do not have to take a 5+ minute boat ride and do not have to leave my training spot.
JMS v301 - Hayato - Abysseon - 2012-07-29
I hope GMS is taking notes on this.
byakugan Wrote:Is anyone else satisfied with these new ways of job advancing? I mean, come on, is it really a bad thing to take more than 30 mins doing your jobs advancement? I remember when I did my 3rd job advancement, it was exciting and it feel like a true accomplismeht after I was done, but now you do nothing ...
They're just making the game more appealing to new players.
Similar to removing the 4th job skill quests/storylines and just giving you the skills upon advancement.
JMS v301 - Hayato - Polantaris - 2012-07-29
byakugan Wrote:The only flaw Mikhail has is the lazer in 4th job, just like Buccaneers, and Mechanics, Luminous and such. It might not be the an innovative class, but just which one is anymore? It could be understood to hate on him when we thought he was delaying the Pirate legend, but now that we know Nexon just doesn't want a Pirate Legend seems you people hate on it for fashion and to pretend you're cool, like with Justin Bieber.
Is anyone else satisfied with these new ways of job advancing? I mean, come on, is it really a bad thing to take more than 30 mins doing your jobs advancement? I remember when I did my 3rd job advancement, it was exciting and it feel like a true accomplismeht after I was done, but now you do nothing ...
Edit: if Hayato ever comes to GMS, I don't want it to keep its japanese voice.
What class is innovative? Hayato. That class is a blast to play and every skill in his wide range of skills is useful and usable.
Also, Mikhail's only issue is a laser? What about the fact that he takes several perks from other Warrior classes, mashes them all together, and does it way better than those classes? What about the part where he's better than every other Warrior, by a VAST majority(When he was released)? He even beats Hayato by over 1000% according to JoeTang's calculations(In 1v1 at least, I don't remember the others off the top of my head). What about the part where he's not even a necessary character, in any way? He's an NPC. His skills don't even fit the ones you gain as a Dawn Warrior, it's insane. Heck, he even cheats the Missing for being under-leveled rule. No part of Mikhail is flawless.
JMS v301 - Hayato - Sorien - 2012-07-29
xallista Wrote:Their main attacking skill gets a 30% FA that is AOE. First AOE FA in maplestory?
No, the Warrior version of Final Attack is an AOE skill when it activates with Slash Blast. Or at least it was, I'm not sure if it still is or not.
JMS v301 - Hayato - ShinkuDragon - 2012-07-29
Sorien Wrote:No, the Warrior version of Final Attack is an AOE skill when it activates with Slash Blast. Or at least it was, I'm not sure if it still is or not.
kind of have to define AoE, since it wasn't really AoE, but rather hit the enemies in front of you chaining backwards and losing str in the process.
JMS v301 - Hayato - anondesu9000 - 2012-07-29
byakugan Wrote:Edit: if Hayato ever comes to GMS, I don't want it to keep its japanese voice.
I disagree. However badly you don't want Hayato's Japanese voice, which I find to be perfect, Nexon America dubbing him badly would be far worse. It'll probably be Bakugan level bad dubbing, so much so that the Japanese voice will seem like a godsend by level 100.
Polantaris Wrote:Also, Mikhail's only issue is a laser? What about the fact that he takes several perks from other Warrior classes, mashes them all together, and does it way better than those classes? What about the part where he's better than every other Warrior, by a VAST majority(When he was released)? He even beats Hayato by over 1000% according to JoeTang's calculations(In 1v1 at least, I don't remember the others off the top of my head). What about the part where he's not even a necessary character, in any way? He's an NPC. His skills don't even fit the ones you gain as a Dawn Warrior, it's insane. Heck, he even cheats the Missing for being under-leveled rule. No part of Mikhail is flawless.
There's nothing wrong with a warrior being a lightning bruiser. In fact, that's what they should be. Mikhail's flawlessness isn't a flaw. But his being boring is.
JMS v301 - Hayato - Polantaris - 2012-07-29
anondesu9000 Wrote:There's nothing wrong with a warrior being a lightning bruiser. In fact, that's what they should be. Mikhail's flawlessness isn't a flaw. But his being boring is.
But there is a problem with a class making EVERY OTHER instance of that class complete garbage like Mikhail did.
JMS v301 - Hayato - Takebacker - 2012-07-29
Polantaris Wrote:But there is a problem with a class making EVERY OTHER instance of that class complete garbage like Mikhail did.
Pre revamp instance*
JMS v301 - Hayato - anondesu9000 - 2012-07-29
Polantaris Wrote:But there is a problem with a class making EVERY OTHER instance of that class complete garbage like Mikhail did.
Nexon's inability to properly revamp the explorers is another issue entirely. In a way, new characters are their own class's revamp. Because at this point, it's pretty much set in stone that explorer warriors are destined to suffer.
Here's hoping for Hayato being imported and permanently added to character creation without time limitations. Because that'll be as good as it gets.
JMS v301 - Hayato - Polantaris - 2012-07-29
anondesu9000 Wrote:Nexon's inability to properly revamp the explorers is another issue entirely. In a way, new characters are their own class's revamp. Because at this point, it's pretty much set in stone that explorer warriors are destined to suffer.
Here's hoping for Hayato being imported and permanently added to character creation without time limitations. Because that'll be as good as it gets.
If that were true, Dark Knights and Paladins would have been buffed to get somewhat remotely close to Mikhail by now...but oh look...nope. They're still the weakest classes in the game.
JMS v301 - Hayato - byakugan - 2012-07-29
byakugan Wrote:Edit: if Hayato ever comes to GMS, I don't want it to keep its japanese voice.
What a stupid mistake I made. I meant to say I HOPE IT KEEPS ITS JAPANESE VOICE. It's awesome and it wouldn't be better any other way.
Elven Emily Wrote:I like it because I do not have to take a 5+ minute boat ride and do not have to leave my training spot.
Phss, nothing can beat the old 3rd job advancement. As pain in the ass as it was, it was far more interesting and made far morse sense than "hey look, I just remembered a bunch of new skills, let'¡s keep on grinding".
Nerfing job advancements and eliminating the Skill quests system are among the biggest mistakes of Nexon (except getting skills from zakum).
Polantaris Wrote:What class is innovative? Hayato. That class is a blast to play and every skill in his wide range of skills is useful and usable.
Of course Hayato is innovative, no one is debating that. Heck, I even think Hayato beats the sh1t out of Kaiser in anything but damage, but just how much room for innovation is there anymore?. This is JMS' first exclusive class so its obvious they put a lot of work on it, unlike KMS which has released over 25 already.
I could sit here and debate those flaws you mention about Mikhail, but it's beating a dead horse and this is not the place for that. I will just say that what you call Mikhail's flaws are nothing more than Nexon's scheme to bring the spotlight over every new job since a while ago. and make everyone bandwagon them. You can complain all you want if after it's been 6 months from it's release, he doesn't get nerfed.
As for him going from NPC to class, the only difference between him and all Legends+ Kaiser is that he went reversal with it (they go Class>NPC).
JMS v301 - Hayato - Hanabira.Kage - 2012-07-29
Sorien Wrote:No, the Warrior version of Final Attack is an AOE skill when it activates with Slash Blast. Or at least it was, I'm not sure if it still is or not.
Pretty sure it still is...just that the range is horribad and each consecutive target it hits takes like 1/6 of the damage the previous target took.
JMS v301 - Hayato - KhainiWest - 2012-07-30
Hayato just looks like he's spamming the dash down with a thrust...looks like mercedez gameplay to me
JMS v301 - Hayato - anondesu9000 - 2012-07-31
Polantaris Wrote:If that were true, Dark Knights and Paladins would have been buffed to get somewhat remotely close to Mikhail by now...but oh look...nope. They're still the weakest classes in the game.
The immortal Aran and Demon Slayer were the Drk and Pally revamps.
JMS v301 - Hayato - Polantaris - 2012-07-31
anondesu9000 Wrote:The immortal Aran and Demon Slayer were the Drk and Pally revamps.
You can't say an entirely separate class is a revamp of an existing one if it doesn't replace the existing one.