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More EE hacked weapons gone - Marksman Bryan - 2012-03-01
FabledGumbo Wrote:Honestly, I don't see why it's so hard for you guys to either spell out why this duping is the root of all evil or admit that there's little or no logical causation between duping and your grievances with the game, aside from the duping itself being morally offensive.
Since you obviously are incapable of reading the thread, I did it for you:
Quote:The stats aren't legit. They are not made with legitimate methods. End of story. It would be essentially impossible for people to even make ONE of these items without duping, do you remember the dupers buying primal essences for 20b? I somehow don't think that they bought 100+ primal essences for their weapons. They ARE ruining the game. Maybe because you're just a Nxwhore and an apologist for hackers, that's you don't see the trouble with paying $50+ dollars for an equip. As for VSS, another 11 illegitimate attack turns out to be a lot. 27attack VSS are illegit in the first place, they were made with duped shoe att 10%'s and were duped before each scrolling. And then it turns out they were duped by the hundreds afterwards. 38att are just stupid. That's literally impossible to get on a normal shoe. You really can't argue that they're "legit" in any shape way or form.
I don't hate them solely because they're duped, I hate them because they're the product of illegitimacy. Much like how I feel about your mindset.
You're playing the game outside the bounds of how it could have even been imagined to be played.
Quote:Duplicating an equip that is very high above the norm in regards to stats and the probability of succeeding in making such an item depreciates the value of any other equip that isn't of equal or higher stats. It makes scrolling for the average player a worthless and pointless endeavor. Why bother scrolling when you can just buy some duped 20 attack mask for 10 bucks?
It makes it incredibly difficult for the average player to actually make monetary gains without inputting ungodly amounts of time into farming for items that may not even be worth anything the following DAY. Duplicating anything in any video game is bad, very very bad.
Just because YOU personally don't care about some jackass duping 20-30 attack earrings,masks, shoes, what have you, does NOT mean it doesn't affect everyone else. Your opinion can be and IS wrong.
Quote:You do realize that exactly no one is saying that the so called "lolable shyt" is as bad as EE-hacked weapons?
They're saying that the "lolable shyt" damages the game and should be removed. You're failing to see that. It's like saying that since smallpox has been cured, we might as well stop pursuing cures for less damaging diseases.
Quote:The difference is that removing duped items might make people less inclined to buy them. People don't like having their gear wiped periodically. And if people don't buy them, hackers will stop duping them.
Quote:Within the game there exist tiers of equipment: common, uncommon and rare. When duping exists, rare equipment becomes plentiful. The other two tiers become useless. That may seem like a good thing at a glance but in reality, it has three major harmful effects on the game. The first being that it removes one of the major points of the game: using the strength you've previously gained to continue improving your character through the (sometimes dreadful but necessary) act of farming. Beyond that, if you can have an unlimited number of that item, the act of scrolling becomes a joke. Seems like a good thing but it is a large part of the game.
So simply duping your equipment removes two vital parts of the gaming experience, whether you enjoy them or not.
The final effect lies in the market. Duping does and has destroyed the economy beyond repair. It's not just limited to those big items. When everything is plentiful then everything is worthless. There may as well be no market.
Just because it's somewhat beneficial to you or other players doesn't mean it's not a blight on the game.
Names removed so they don't get spammed with that post-quote thing
More EE hacked weapons gone - FabledGumbo - 2012-03-01
KhainiWest Wrote:There is no way a legitimate player could even bother to compete with the conditions the game has put on the table.
This is the part I have problems with. You're not competing with players, you're competing with non-player characters. The only thing preventing anyone from making a level 1 and leveling it to 200 without interacting with any other player between now and then is a sense of practicality and a shortage of time/desire. You letting the dupes get to you is a detriment to your experience, not the dupes themselves.
IImaplers Wrote:So duping has no effect on economy?
I never said that duping didn't have an effect on the economy. Traditionally, it deflates things to the point of being affordable for the common player. If Takebacker has complaints about his bossing profit margins, he should go complain to Nexon for requiring scissors of karma to trade the drops in the first place.
More EE hacked weapons gone - Takebacker - 2012-03-01
FabledGumbo Wrote:If Takebacker has complaints about his bossing profit margins, he should go complain to Nexon for requiring scissors of karma to trade the drops in the first place.
I don't boss. Why?
Because duping ruined it.
More EE hacked weapons gone - IImaplers - 2012-03-01
FabledGumbo Wrote:Traditionally, it deflates things to the point of being affordable for the common player.
In deflating things to be affordable to the common player, it makes things which were generally and normally perceived to be average to become completely worthless to the common player. Have you thought about that?
Not everyone is a conformist. If duping and buying duped gear is the norm when it so obviously shouldn't be, what are the non-dupers and non-duped-gear-buyers left with? Nothing.
More EE hacked weapons gone - KhainiWest - 2012-03-01
FabledGumbo Wrote:This is the part I have problems with. You're not competing with players, you're competing with non-player characters. The only thing preventing anyone from making a level 1 and leveling it to 200 without interacting with any other player between now and then is a sense of practicality and a shortage of time/desire. You letting the dupes get to you is a detriment to your experience, not the dupes themselves.
You want to be efficient at what you do, you can't make money, nothing you find will be worth anything, the meso drops are minimal, there's really no room to grow on this game without someway spending NX. It's a free to play game with such an overwhelming difference on hackers/nx spenders that it's not reasonable.
It doesn't matter if my stats directly affect yours or not, what does matter is the standards that the community sets based on the current market which predetermines if you're worth their time. Maplestory has became a solo game, duping caused this, potential caused this, and the attitude of the community has caused this. You can sit here and tell me until your blue in the face that maplestory is about vs artificial enemies, not eachother, but maplestory is not going to be fun for you when you're playing by yourself.
More EE hacked weapons gone - FabledGumbo - 2012-03-01
KhainiWest Wrote:You can sit here and tell me until your blue in the face that maplestory is about vs artificial enemies, not eachother, but maplestory is not going to be fun for you when you're playing by yourself.
Honestly, I think this is the best answer I've seen so far. All the same, I don't see how duping prevents you from interacting with other players unless you're above interacting with people who use dupes. I guess there's not much point in me parading around as the "care less" messiah, either. It would be nice if you guys would take grievances for what they are and move along instead of making scapegoats out of them, though.
More EE hacked weapons gone - Takebacker - 2012-03-01
FabledGumbo Wrote:It would be nice if you guys would take grievances for what they are and move along instead of making scapegoats out of them, though.
If that's what people did then Nexon wouldn't bother fixing anything and this game would be way worse than it is.
More EE hacked weapons gone - KhainiWest - 2012-03-01
FabledGumbo Wrote:Honestly, I think this is the best answer I've seen so far. All the same, I don't see how duping prevents you from interacting with other players unless you're above interacting with people who use dupes. I guess there's not much point in me parading around as the "care less" messiah, either. It would be nice if you guys would take grievances for what they are and move along instead of making scapegoats out of them, though.
Duping causes things besides duplicating that are effects from the cause. You speak like we're claiming by duping once the game goes to hell.
I would love for you to attempt to argue the post Sarah made concerning it, that's how it effects the economy and atmosphere of the game. You don't work for anything, you purchase nx and buy certain gear that everyone else has in the MTS to train as fast as them, to be able to boss as soon as them. It's not a race, but it's hard to make friends when you're constantly left in the dust because you can't afford items they can.
You claim were elitists, but I like to think we're the only forum that actually still has pride in honesty. People complain about the game all the time, yet support those who cause the problems to begin with. Duplicating takes variety, challenge, or anything else out of the game and it only does it for people who will put up the money to gain it.
Adding the potential to buy power puts a huge gap in attitude on both spectrums and seperates the games community. The unsuccessful calling the successful no lives, while the successful calls the unsuccessful failures. It becomes the have and have not's which is bad for any economy, there is no longer a middle ground.
More EE hacked weapons gone - FabledGumbo - 2012-03-01
My issue isn't specifically with the dupes. Honestly, the potential system is where most of the power buying comes in and it seems to me that it's a good thing that the dupes provide a cheaper alternative to players. I'll go into depth later, but I'm in a bit of a rush. Assuming I don't forget about it I'll edit this post with a longer, more though out response, Khaini.
More EE hacked weapons gone - LoveVictim - 2012-03-01
There should have been much better compensation honestly, like I said in the economy thread - a Unique Clean Weapon, Untradeable GM Scrolls, and some AEE's for each one they lost since Nexon does in fact share blame too.
But oh well, this cheap compensation is actually much better for the game but it just screws the idiots who charged NX codes for the items. Oh well, free money for Nexon
More EE hacked weapons gone - Thorr - 2012-03-01
FabledGumbo Wrote:This is the part I have problems with. You're not competing with players, you're competing with non-player characters.
Except when all the kiddies who cheated and got duped items are also the ones taking your training maps from you because they know you cannot compete. It definitely evolves into competition with other players.
More EE hacked weapons gone - KhainiWest - 2012-03-01
The thing is though maplestory's business model is clearly about luck. Duplicating items esssentially takes away the risk of chance. The power that the players has right now was never supposed to be this, no matter how you look at it, you say cheaper alternative, but it's like this.
If you get a god tier item that is mass produced it doesn't just deflate itself it deflates everything inferior to it. That's great as a buyer, but what as a seller? You can't make money you only can spend it, that doesn't sound to healthy for a new player.
More EE hacked weapons gone - Abysseon - 2012-03-01
KhainiWest Wrote:If you get a god tier item that is mass produced it doesn't just deflate itself it deflates everything inferior to it. That's great as a buyer, but what as a seller? You can't make money you only can spend it, that doesn't sound to healthy for a new player.
Exactly.
FabledGumbo Wrote:Honestly, the potential system is where most of the power buying comes in and it seems to me that it's a good thing that the dupes provide a cheaper alternative to players
Once a player buys duped gear, they can be sure that it will deflate as more continue to enter the market.
Better equips can also be introduced such as the 35 att vss compared to the previous 27 att vss causing severe deflation as
players try to upgrade.
In that economy the only people who truly profit from selling duped gear are the exploiters themselves.
That doesn't seem to be a 'good thing' at all.
More EE hacked weapons gone - CarrionCrow - 2012-03-01
LoveVictim Wrote:There should have been much better compensation honestly, like I said in the economy thread - a Unique Clean Weapon, Untradeable GM Scrolls, and some AEE's for each one they lost since Nexon does in fact share blame too.
But oh well, this cheap compensation is actually much better for the game but it just screws the idiots who charged NX codes for the items. Oh well, free money for Nexon
Since there are no innocents compensation seems stupid and counter productive.
More EE hacked weapons gone - KhainiWest - 2012-03-01
LoveVictim Wrote:There should have been much better compensation honestly, like I said in the economy thread - a Unique Clean Weapon, Untradeable GM Scrolls, and some AEE's for each one they lost since Nexon does in fact share blame too.
But oh well, this cheap compensation is actually much better for the game but it just screws the idiots who charged NX codes for the items. Oh well, free money for Nexon
...Compensation for what exactly? -twitch-
More EE hacked weapons gone - CrazyForDex - 2012-03-01
Lol it still blows my mind that people A) cannot see the harmful affects of duping and need others to point them out repeatedly to them and B) people still feel that those who lost their hacked weapons deserve compensation.
I've known for a while that our community (maple, not specifically sp) was terrible, but seriously guys? This is getting ridiculous.
More EE hacked weapons gone - LoveVictim - 2012-03-01
KhainiWest Wrote:...Compensation for what exactly? -twitch-
For those that spent 50 to 75 to up to 500k NX on those attrocious weapons? I mean Nexon does SHARE blame, they let these things become MTS'able, become duplicated and etc. Sure, it was wrong for the players to buy it, knowing the risks, but they basically just lost their money. So with the unlikely chance that they will get their NX back for the items they spent, some untradeable weapon unique, untradeable gm scrolls and AEE's won't hurt.
I'm happy they got punished for it but I would have compensated them back a bit more.
More EE hacked weapons gone - CrazyForDex - 2012-03-01
LoveVictim Wrote:For those that spent 50 to 75 to up to 500k NX on those attrocious weapons? I mean Nexon does SHARE blame, they let these things become MTS'able, become duplicated and etc. Sure, it was wrong for the players to buy it, knowing the risks, but they basically just lost their money. So with the unlikely chance that they will get their NX back for the items they spent, some untradeable weapon unique, untradeable gm scrolls and AEE's won't hurt.
I'm happy they got punished for it but I would have compensated them back a bit.
They broke the ToS and claiming ignorance shouldn't excuse them from it. It SHOULD BE more than obvious by now that certain weapons have beyond insane stats because they were hacked. Plus if you have enough knowledge about this game to go get nx, work the mts, and find those items, I would be willing to bet my paycheck that you had a pretty dam good idea that you shouldn't be purchasing that item. "Hmm, there are 20 items with really crazy stats all by the same person for a ton of money. That seems like a good investment!"
All those players should be happy they aren't banned and that Nexon doesn't pay more attention to their game.
More EE hacked weapons gone - FreeNoods - 2012-03-01
CrazyForDex Wrote:All those players should be happy they aren't banned and that Nexon doesn't pay more attention to their game.
You tell em, badass!
More EE hacked weapons gone - Shidoshi - 2012-03-01
LoveVictim Wrote:For those that spent 50 to 75 to up to 500k NX on those attrocious weapons? I mean Nexon does SHARE blame, they let these things become MTS'able, become duplicated and etc. Sure, it was wrong for the players to buy it, knowing the risks, but they basically just lost their money. So with the unlikely chance that they will get their NX back for the items they spent, some untradeable weapon unique, untradeable gm scrolls and AEE's won't hurt.
I'm happy they got punished for it but I would have compensated them back a bit more.
Nexon Wrote:If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
And just like in real life, you can't claim ignorance of the rules.